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« Reply #54 on: Thursday 11 August 11 10:27 BST (UK) »
Hi All researchers and owner of glass plate negatives. Thats the best 1/2 hour of reading I have had since I used to listen to Dick Barton Special Agent on the BBC in the late 40's. I breathed a sigh of relief, when I read all the surnames as none of my rellies were there. Actually did have one in the jug in 1901. Carry on the good work and hope you do have a lot of success with finding some of their todays relations. Best regards Ken B
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« Reply #55 on: Thursday 11 August 11 14:31 BST (UK) »
Fascinating collection!

Charles Tertius Green looks to have died 3/7/1916 and is recorded at Thiepval (10bn Worcestershires)

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« Reply #56 on: Thursday 11 August 11 14:47 BST (UK) »
Charles Desmond - there is someone who has their tree on Ancestry who has Charles Desmond.  Person who has the tree is called ozzy2441, and they also have some info about what happened to him once he left prison and joined the army...........

Charles Desmond bn 1877 in Mile End to Charles Desmond and Jane Newman.

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« Reply #57 on: Thursday 11 August 11 15:00 BST (UK) »
Francis Sage

Seems to have made a bit of a habit of appearing in court!  Appears at the Old Bailey 29th May 1899 for feloniously shooting at Albert Handley.  7 other convictions were also proved agains Francis, and he was sentenced to 3 years penal servitude.

Didn't learn lesson, and was back before the Old Bailey in 1909 was having counterfeit coins.  The court documents lists all his previous ...... ahem.......misedemeanors (22nd June 1909)


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« Reply #58 on: Thursday 11 August 11 17:21 BST (UK) »
Births Dec 1867
GREEN    Charles Tertius        Leicester    7a   195


I wonder if this is the same Charles Tertius Green that was killed 3 July 1916 at Flanders? Perhaps he redeemed himself.

Philip

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« Reply #59 on: Thursday 18 August 11 18:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you, kerothwell, spidermonkey,phodgetts  and apologies for delay in reply.

Have just returned to home, so now to seek out ozzy, to see if he would enjoy copy of the plate.

This has been so much fun, finding the rightful family, still hoping to find more.

Regards  Val
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WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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« Reply #60 on: Thursday 18 August 11 18:51 BST (UK) »
Appears at the Old Bailey 29th May 1899 for feloniously shooting at Albert Handley. 
It's a bit more exciting than that!

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Western Mail , Cardiff. 15th May 1899.

A DESPERATE FIGHT

Francis Sage, 35, giving an address in Ramsay-street, Bethnal Green and Charles Stewart, 19, coster, of Dorset-street, Spitalfields, were charged at Worship-street Police-court on Friday with being concerned with assaulting Detectives Handley and Tobutt, rescuing a prisoner from lawful custody, and Sage, further, with feloniously shooting at the officer Handley with the intent to kill and murder him. The story told by the officers aroused considerable interest, it appearing that they had arrested a man for being concerned in the recent attempt to rob a clerk named Titterton of a bag containing £150 at Stratford, when they were set upon, and the man rescued.

The detective, Handley, deposed that shortly after six o'clock on Thursday evening he, accompanied by Detective-sergeant Tobutt, went to a house in Octagon-street, Bethnal Green, and there arrested a man wanted for felony. On the way to the station, the prisoners and two other men came up, Sage saying to the man in custody, "What's the matter, Bill?" The answer was, "Some ---- had shopped me for that job at Stratford, and these two splits are going to take me to the nick." Sage said, "My oath, they're not. Open order, lads, Stick to me." He then caught hold of the man in custody, who wrested himself away from witness, and the same moment witness received a blow in the back from a heavy stick, (produced) dealt by the prisoner Stewart. He also received a blow in the face, and then drew his truncheon. It was, however, wrenched away from him. The man rescued ran off, and witness pursued, but the prisoner Sage ran close in front of him and, turning, presented a revolver at him, saying, "Stand back, or I'll put one through you." Witness, however, continued to run on, and Sage, turning again, fired, at the same time saying, "Take that, you ----." Witness heard the shot whizz by his head.

Mr Cluer: Did he aim at you?

Witness: Yes, pointed the revolver direct at me. Witness ran into a boot shop and seized an iron last as a weapon, then continued the chase through Coventry-street. Seeing that the rescued man had the stolen truncheon in his hand, witness threw the iron last at him, caught him in the back, and brought him to the ground. The man, however, was quickly up and off again, but left the truncheon on the ground, witness recovering it. Then he blew his whistle and saw two or three persons attempt to stop the men, but Sage always presented the revolver and scared them off. At the bottom of Caulfield-street two constables in uniform appeared, and Stewart, who throughout had kept up close with the other men in the flight, was captured, and Sage was knocked down by a blow from the truncheon of Police-constable 105J. (The prisoner Sage appeared in the dock with his head bandaged.) Witness was quickly upon him, and wrenched the revolver (produced) from his right hand, although the prisoner again presented it and said he would put one through him. At the station Sage repeatedly uttered threats of what he would do when he got out.

On being asked if he wished to put any questions to Handley, the prisoner Sage displayed considerable temper, and said he could have shot all the police if he had liked, but he asserted that he had fired in the air.

Superintendent Weston, J Division who was present on behalf of the police, said the revolver jammed, one of the pins catching.

Mr Cluer directed that it should be examined by a gunsmith.

The prisoner called the detective a liar and scoundrel, and was threatened with the cells until he got cool.

Corroborative evidence was given by Detective Tobutt who said he was set upon and beaten with sticks by the other men, but he saw Sage fire at Handley, and continued the pursuit till the arrest.

Inspector Wallace, J. Division, said that when he examined the revolver at the station he found five loaded cartridges in it, and one which had been recently discharged. It was his opinion that the weapon jammed.

The prisoners, who were both in an angry mood, were remanded.
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That's about the first seventh of the article. If I can be bothered later I'll add more*. It's an amusing one, "The prisoner called the detective a liar and a scoundrel and was threatened with the cells until he got cool".  ;D

*Done.
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« Reply #61 on: Thursday 18 August 11 19:08 BST (UK) »
Exciting, can you give me the link please.....thank you.....another 'in the bin'    Im doing so well

val :)
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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« Reply #62 on: Thursday 18 August 11 21:47 BST (UK) »
This site: http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/lancs?db=BNCN lets you search Victorian newspapers (good for looking for people with weird names or just for reading about, for example, the Crimean War as it took place).

But you need a login.

Lancashire libraries give you one for free but you need to order a library card from them.
WHITEHOUSE- Bromsgrove, WANE - Eccleston, TOWERS - Blackburn & Ribble Valley, COLLINGE - Rawtenstall, THOMAS - Penzance, Whitehaven, Haslingden.