Prisoners......glass plate photo...When? List now added.

[BashLad]

The Bristol Mercury and Daily Post
May 22, 1899.

HIGHWAY ROBBERY

At the Thames police court, London, on Saturday, Henry Edwards, 18 and Charles Windward otherwise Wells, 19, were charged with being concerned with others not in custody in assaulting Dr Thomas Phillips of 592 Commercial Road. prosecutor who appeared to be in a weak state and had to be accomodated with a chair deposed that he was a member of the Ratcliff Vestry and Limehouse District Board. About half past one on Thursday when within a short distance of his own door Edwards came up and looked under his coat to see if he had a watch. Witness asked him what he meant and immediately after he was surrounded by five or six men who struck him and knocked him to the ground. He was then jumped upon and became unconscious. His left side was seriously injured and he was robbbed of his gold watch, chain and pocketbook. On coming to he found himself being attended to by some neighbours. Richard Battle deposed that he worked in York Road, Stepney and while having his dinner heard a scuffle and then a cry of 'Help.' He saw both the prisoners and other men around Dr. Phillips. Windward had his knees on the prosecutor and was searching his pocket. He saw the watch in one of the men's hands but could not say what became of it. When the prisoners ran away he followed and gave information to the police. Witness pursued Windward who threatened to shoot him. Windward denied having anything to do with the afffair and said that while looking at the fight he was taken into custody. Remanded. 

[valnan]

thanks petewhitehouse....

Following the lead, have obtained the court transcript from The Old Bailey online....they were repeat offenders.   Edwards received Five years Penal servitude and Twelve lashes.

 Windward,  along with Henry Smith and Charles Desmond  were given Five years Penal Servitude each.

[Siamese Girl]

The odd thing is that all the photographs have come from different prisons - I wonder how they all came to end up together?

Carole

[Ruskie]

The odd thing is that all the photographs have come from different prisons - I wonder how they all came to end up together?

Carole

This is what Val is wondering. Maybe just a collector who amassed these unusual things over the years. I alos wondered it there may have been some kind of govt department clearout ... and they were dumped in a skip. 

Val, where did you get this collection from?

[valnan]

Hello and thanks for your interest.  Yes I am wondering why all the plates ended up in the same place. Left me by relative, the idea of clear out by department seems to be the closest I will ever get to learning their origin.

Have gone down the 'not nice to think about'...   common factor...hanged?  ...transported?   If only I could find the death of one or even two of them. maybe, just hoping I will be one step closer.

Val

[Siamese Girl]

The only common factor that I can think of is that they might have been part of centralized records kept either by the police or some other government department and at some point when they were having a clear out they kept the paperwork but threw out the the glass negatives. There's nothing else to link them all - different places, different crimes but only a few years separating them in date.

Carole

[valnan]

Hi Carole,

Yes, Im having to accept that fact, just hope that along the way and with the list shown, someone will one day, find this information to add to their family history.

That would be a fairly good result. Thanks everyone for all your input.

Regards  Val

[newburychap]

Can anyone there please let me know, how to 'flip' the plates.  Am at friends home they have Cannon 8800F scanner, tried the smple things....watched the onlne suggestons...not happening?

The Canon 8800F is a fine scanner - but its film adaptor only handles a 6x22cm.  Some glass negs will be bigger than 6x6cm...

If your negs fit within the film adaptors area then set the scanner to scan 'film' and 'negative' and you will get a nice positive image.

If the negs are bigger than 6cm in both dimensions you will have to use reflective scanning - which is not ideal but should, nevertheless, provide some decent scans.  The Canon comes with Adobe Photoshop Elements software which will convert from negative to positive.  If you want a simpler, free, program for the job then Irfanview is a free download and very easy to use.

[valnan]

Thank you newburychap.    Luckily these are small plates, so on that would do the trick...Val