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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 13 July 11 00:16 BST (UK) »
That is fabulous Val.  ;D

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 13 July 11 11:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ruskie on with next  .....only 20 to go, 7 located in prisons, 9 sets court records.

What fun.
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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Re: Prisoners...glass plate photo..list of names added
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 13 July 11 20:01 BST (UK) »
Hello fellow hunters,

Still 'a work in progress', but feel there may be someone out there who is looking for their 'black sheep'

Working my way through court records and prison lists, so I might have a litttle more to add for you.

Val
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 14 July 11 00:21 BST (UK) »
I have a suggestion.  ;)

After you work your way through the list, post the image together with details of what you have found out about the prisoner. (just coz we're curious)

Any you are stuck with, also post their image and someone may be able to help you find something about him.

If you post the details here, then anyone who is researching these names in the future, should come across this post.


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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #40 on: Friday 29 July 11 04:33 BST (UK) »
Val sent me this via PM, but I think it would be better here where everyone can get involved:

All of my slides were passed to me as one collection...21 of them......So far 7 found records  in Old Bailey Online,   not yet completed the entire search........then my attention was transfered to where they served their time......resulting  in my finding  they were at 5 different prison locations. Pentonville, Parkhurst, Portland, Canterbury and Dartmoor, still more to research.

My inexperience is a hinderence here,..... but how or why were the plates all together?
Looking for the common link.
1) Old Bailey ?
2) Prison location ?

1)  No, the dates for hearing at the Old Bailey courts do not tally with start of sentence date shown on plates....So other courts must have been the place of trial.
2)  No, as shown....not all the same.

As we are led to believe that transportation ceased in the mid 80s........not likely to be the answer?

Guess the option open to me....find the death of one of them....maybe two, (with help) then I might be getting closer.

Asking:  If this was your project, what and how would you consider the best way to getting a result?


I'm sorry Val. I just realised (after sending you a PM) that you have posted some of your other photographs. I missed these posts and will go back and look at them.

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 30 July 11 14:58 BST (UK) »
Here is the list so far, have further to add to many, but struggling to get on site, so first batch here.                                     

Name                                              Prison                                     Born ( as indexed 1901 census)

Andrews    Joseph.                    Dartmoor            Labourer         London
Dean         George.                    ...                                            ...
Desmond   Charles                     ...                                            ...       
Dodd         Herbert                     Pentonville                               London      1879
Donovan    Patrick                      Portland                                   Ireland      1869
Edwards     Henry                       Portland                                   London?    1877
Green        Charles Tertius           Portland              Solicitor         Leicester   1867
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 30 July 11 15:06 BST (UK) »
The next,

Harrison           Cecil                 Portland                  London     1867
Hopkins            Robert              ...                           ...
Jones                Sarah               ...                           ...
Joseph              Bonni                ...                           ...
Klein                 Adam              Parkhurst                 Germany
Mould                John               Parkhurst                  Sussex    1873
Ricketts             John               Canterbury                Cardiff/London   1877
Roberts             William            Pentonville                1842 Whitchurch Shropshire
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 30 July 11 15:16 BST (UK) »
The last of 21.


Sage           Francis              Canterbury                          Marylebone      1864
Smith          Henry                Portland                              London            1871
Wilson         Hannah              ...                                       ...
Wilson         John                  Parkhurst                             unclear from census 1901 which one is him.
Windward    Charles              Parkhurst                            Whitechapel  London    1878
Young         Arthur                Portlnd                                London            1876

I apologise if there are any details that you find are incorrect. I have followed the only way I know how....I have glass photo, giving date of imprisonment.....Used Court records to estimte birth date. Then followed the route to the Prisons lists, which have been compiled from 1901 census. 
HALL....Lancashire    1700s. ......... London, Middlesex , areas Tottenham, Islington, Marylebone  to 1950.

WILDS......London, Middlsex, Tottenham area .......  1820

COOMBS (E)........London Tottenham, Edmonton......1800s 

BENFORD   Kate    Middx
BOLEY        W.S    Middx
MITCHELL              Middx

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Re: Prisoners......glass plate photo...When?
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 30 July 11 15:40 BST (UK) »
Excellent, that list will be very helpful - thanks Val.   ;)