Edward MENSFORTH, birth in tasmania or SA

[milly25]

Thank you everyone who replied to my message.I did find the death notice to Charlotte Cecelia Iverson on 25th of June 1882 wife of captain N.H. Iverson,youngest daughter of the late John Mensforth,51st Kings Own Light Infantry Manchester England.I also know where she is buried but for some reason i havent found her in South Australian death records.N.H Iversens second wife Elizabeth Jane died in 1936 and at the bottom of her death notice it says Broken Hill papers please copy so it could be that her step daughter Charlotte Maud Iversen moved to Broken Hill hence why i couldnt find anything about her.Thanks again for that info.I have found info. on Trove newspapers on the Mensforth but not quite sure yet if they are related to Charlotte Iversen( Mensforth) at this stage.

[Maggs154b]

Hi, Jenny,

Were you looking up the crew lists of ships regarding a John Nichols some time ago?  You may have come across this webpage, but if not - this one lists a John Nichols.  Hope it is of some use!

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nelson/gallery7/popup/casualty.htm

Best wishes,

Maggie

[JenClark]

Hi Maggie,

I was looking for crew lists etc for a John Nicoll, so thanks for thinking of me! My John Nicoll thankfully did not die at sea though, he came back to the highlands married and had 6 children, dying in 1865. He was press ganged when he was young, which I understand happened a lot back then.

Thanks anyway 

Jenny

[Maggs154b]

Hi, Jenny,

I'm please to hear that your ancestor didn't die!  All these similar names make researching quite difficult for us descendents.  Quite a few of mine have various spellings of their names which makes it doubly tricky.  Good luck with your further enquires.

Best wishes,

Maggie

[laurelbau]

Hi
thanks for the sequence on Edward Mensforth b 1845 Launceston Tasmania.

I'm wondering where I can find birth-baptism record for his sister Charlotte Cecilia
in about 1847.   Adelaide perhaps?

Is is plausible that Isabella Mavrios died in childbirth when Edward was born ?
Are there death-burial records to confirm this possibility?

This would explain why Charlotte's mother was Elizabeth.
Although the newspaper records on trove say Elizabeth was in Adealide in 1861
when Ann Mensforth committed suicide [murdered?]  it seems she too is still alive
in South Australia....? 

gradually the family is coming together in such a sad set of events

Laurel in Sydney

[JenClark]

Hi Laurel,

This family is certainly a very confusing one at times.

I have a note in my research for a possible death for John Mensforth's wife Elizabeth in South Australia as follows:

Elizabeth Mensforth died 19 Dec 1869 Port Adelaide, South Australia aged 55yrs (b abt 1814) - vol 36, pg 510

This actually matches up with the possible birth I have for Isabella Mensforth (nee Marova) in Greece as below:

Isabella Mavrios - 1814 Greece

But from your private tree on Ancestry I see you already have this info, as you have her born in 1814 in Zakynthos (Zakinthos), Ionian Islands, Greece. I do not have either of the certificates for the entries above, as I am still not sure if this is my family or not.

I have just ordered the letters John Mensforth wrote to his family between 1822-1844 from the NLA and will let you know if they have anything of interest in them that may help.

I have not as yet been able to locate a baptism or birth record for Charlotte Cecilia Mensforth...sorry I can't be more help 

Would so love to sort this family out...one day!

Jenny

[Essie]

I have just refreshed my memory of this thread and decided to have another look in TROVE for shipping intelligence from TAS to Adelaide in 1846.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-state=Tasmania&l-decade=184&l-year=1846&q=%22MANSFORD%22
Isabella, Catherine, Ann, and Thomas named as "MANSFORD" and three children (little ones born in TAS?), from Launceston on the ship Henry - five months after John "MANSFORTH" arrived in Adelaide.

So Isabella was still alive in 1846.

Essie

[JenClark]

How fascinating Essie! Well done

I wonder about the mention of Catherine Mensforth?? Perhaps there is another child older than Ann and Thomas (who were born in Corfu), I think the 3 children would be Amelia, Agnes and possibly Edward? Having been born in Tasmania. As Sarah had died in 1838 and John in 1840. I wonder what happened to Catherine?

So that really does suggest that Isabella is definitely the mother of Edward (born abt 1846).

Perhaps Isabella was also known as Elizabeth? Or Elizabeth may have been her middle name?

Jenny

[JenClark]

Oooh just found this article in Trove, perhaps this sparked the move to Adelaide??

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/66271104?searchTerm=%22catherine%20mansforth%22&searchLimits=

The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas) Wednesday 8 October 1845

The Late Robbery at Messrs. Moss and Nathan's — John Mansforth, Elizabeth Mansforth (his wife), Ann and Catherine Mansforth (their two daughters), and Mary Hartigan, were brought up for examination on the charge of robbing Messrs Moss and Nathan, in whose service one of the girls (Ann) had been living as nursemaid. It appearing that Mr. Nathan, one of the principal witnesses, had not returned from Hobart Town, the case was again adjourned, but the Magistrate consented to the male prisoner and his daughter Catherine being discharged on bail.

I wonder how this turned out?

Interesting that this time his wife is named as Elizabeth!!

Jenny