Edward MENSFORTH, birth in tasmania or SA

[tropicalj]

Hello  there John and welcome  to Rootschat

I guess it is possible  that Frances Mary Mensforth being 5 years old when he mother remarried may have been brought up as KNOWLES and married under  that name.  Unfortunately  I cannot olok  for a marriage as my marriage index is notworking


I checked the birth index and no second child in  that time fram to Maria MEnsforth?Bailey  It could be she did  miscarry  the baby as JenClark has suggested

Jenn

[JTJennings]

Hi

You can see my trees on Ancestry.com if interested.

Apart from the birth of Frances Mary MENSFORTH 22 Apr 1858, as yet to find a death or marriage. According to the South Australian Register, Tuesday 6 December 1859, she was still alive.

No trace of the second child, but could have lost it (plenty of stressful reasons!), it may have died at or after birth, and so on. In any case, I have checked Mensforth, Bailey, etc births on SA Births, Deaths, etc CDs and nothing obvious.

I have looked on and off for more than 10 years, so unlikely that details will ever turn up.

Cheers, John

[JTJennings]

Hi

There were no children registered (births or deaths) to Robert and Maria Knowles until a couple of years after their marriage.

Robert KNOWLES, b. DEC QR. 1838 in Axbridge Somerset ENG, d. 30 May 1917 in "Cheddar" Marlborough Street St Peters SA.

He married Maria BAILEY, 6 Aug 1863 in Christ Church North Adelaide SA, b. 11 Dec 1841 in ? SA (daughter of John BAILEY and Mary PRANGLEY), d. 18 Aug 1923 in College Park SA.

Children:
i.   unnamed daughter KNOWLES, b. 12 Mar 1866 in Brown Street Adelaide SA, d. 12 Mar 1866 in Brown Street Adelaide SA.
ii.   Eva Marshall KNOWLES b. 9 Jun 1869. (married)
iii.   Horace Robert KNOWLES b. 13 Apr 1871. (married)
iv.   Harry Mortimer KNOWLES, b. 16 Jun 1873 in Kent Town SA, d. 7 Nov 1907 in Scarborough St Kilda VIC. (unmarried)
v.   Elsie Clevedon KNOWLES b. 24 Mar 1876. (married)
vi.   Jessie Maria KNOWLES b. 13 Mar 1878. (married)

Cheers, John

[JenClark]

Hey John,

Think I found your Frances Mary Mensforth...died in 1922 as Frances Mary Knowles.

Ancestry have an English Probabte Calendar entry stating:

Knowles, Frances Mary of Marlborough Street, St Peters, South Australia, Spinster died 8 Nov 1922. Probate Adelaide to Horace Robert Knowles wharehouseman. Effects £109 12s. 8d. in England. Sealed London 18 Jan 1927.

There is an entry in the Australia Death Index as follows:

Frances Mary Knowles 1916-1925 South Australia vol 458 pg 189


It doesn't solve the issue of the second Mensforth child, but at least you have found Frances 

Jenny

[JTJennings]

Many thanks for the probate details. Funny I didn't find it before as I searched Ancestry.com for Frances Bailey, Mensforth and Knowles and for some reason she didn't appear in the probate list.

Now for the mystery of the second? child....

[JenClark]

No worries 

They have recently updated their probate records...so perhaps she was added with the last batch. Anyway glad we found her

Jenny

[tropicalj]

  link on Frances Knowles  will

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63748012?searchTerm=knowles frances&searchLimits=l-decade=192|||l-year=1922


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63738377?searchTerm=knowles frances&searchLimits=l-decade=192|||l-year=1922

her death notice

Jenn

[JTJennings]

Many thank - I had found them earlier today.

[milly25]

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