Stevenson of Loughborough born 1803

[vivijune]

On Family Search  I found the following for Rogers in Loughborough. Odd hardly anything for the 1700's.

John Rogers born in the town in 1666. Father was noted as William.
Richard Rogers born in 1634. He has a daughter called Mary recorded in 1663. (Maybe William and Richard are siblings?)

Here are miscellaneous Rogers for the same period possibly children of Richard and William.

Margaret Rogers born in 1644.
Hester Rogers born in 1652.
Mary Rogers born in 1663.
John Rogers born in 1666.
Richard Rogers born in 1672. (Perhaps this was Richard's son and Mary's brother?)

The only mention of Rogers in the 1700's is James Rogers born in 1767- no mention of his father's name. He could have been the brother of our Elizabeth Rogers Stevenson who died in Tiverton because she was born in 1771 though Family Search has her born in either 1776 or 7 which is incorrect based on he death certificate.

Good luck and thanks Diddy for offering to search 1680-1780.

[diddymiller]

L'boro bmd indexes:

1587 - 1621 no Rogers
1621 -1650  listed below
1650 - 1749  no index
the fiche records around 1630 - 1670's that i looked at are very small writing/ faint & extremely difficult to read. as my vision has been slightly affected   by my illness i didn't struggle with them so these bmd are from the indexes only:

Dorothy Roger bur 25 /10/1627

Elizabeth Rogers d/o Roger & joanne, wheelwright  20/9/1640

George Rogers, wheelwright married joanne Hinckly, spinster 28/1/1639

Margaret Rogers d/o John , a stranger & jane 29/7/1646
(this might be the margaret you found on family search as 1644)

THEN looked at the leics IGI on fiche &found:

Elizabeth Rogers b. abt 1775 loughborough
relative; james Stevenson??

Diddy

[vivijune]

Well, there were a few surprises. Many thanks again. I'm glad you didn't strain your eyes too much and I fully understand. But this is really good information. Wonderful to obtain such early records including the Dorothy Rogers who was buried in 1627. I wonder if she was the mother of George? That might mean she was born before 1599!

It seems likely to me that George Rogers, the wheelwright who married Joanne Hinkley in 1639 was probably the brother of John (who was noted as a 'stranger'-) Diddy, you've done a lot of research, have you ever seen 'stranger.'before? What does it mean, someone from out of town?

Going back to George as the original first father of record, we know he had Elizabeth in 1640 and Margaret in 1646 but for the Rogers name to go on he would have had to have had a son or two. Piecing this together from what you found out and I found out, he could have had Richard born in 1634 (who had a Richard in 1672 and a Mary in 1663) and William (no birthdate) who had a John in 1666.

Moving ahead to the 1700's Elizabeth Rogers seems to have had a brother called James 1767, in line with her 1771-1775 actual birth record, but I find it very interesting is the notation of James Stevenson not Rogers recorded on that record. It makes me wonder if a female Rogers had married into the Stevenson Loughborough family in the same way as she would marry a Stevenson a generation later.

[diddymiller]

the indexed records go back even further if you are interested, they start in 15??. the indexes are by surname and then a code c/m/b (christening/marriage/burial) followed by a page number. this relates to the actual volume of transcribed indexes. a lot of these were done years ago by my old indexing tutor from loughborough library school.

think a stranger is probably as you say - someone from outside the town. dont forget at this early period the town would have been quite small and most people would have known one another. as a market town l'boro would have had a weekly influx of 'newcomers' some of whom would have stayed. George had probably only been in the town a short while - met joanne and decided to stay put. bit romantic really 

Diddy

[vivijune]

I had no idea you could go back further than 1600! No rush on this, but if you are back in the library we'd be intrigued to see who the Rogers family were further back. Dorothy Rogers, who you found died in 1627, would have married into the Rogers family and changed her name but perhaps theirs a record of her husband or a record of her being the mother of George, William and Richard Rogers who would probably have been born in the 1630' 40's and seem to be the fathers of the later children who were being born in the 1660's, which after all was also plague time.

Looks as if the Roger Rogers you found, who married a Joanne is actually George Rogers, the wheelwright who married Joanne Hinkly in 1639 and then had a daughter, Elizabeth in the next year. I say that because Joanne is a fairly unusual name at that time.

John (the stranger) who might have been a Rogers cousin from out of town, married a woman called Jane and as you found out they had a daughter Margaret christened in 1646. Great to find all this out and yes, it is kind of romantic. Since he's not a Loughborough man and more difficult to trace concentrating on the other 3 would be really good.

Very exciting to think you can go back to the time of the first Queen Elizabeth! Thanks again!

Do you have a theory on why there is a James Stevenson listed as a relative for the birth of Elizabeth Rogers in teh 1770's? I looked for him on the IGI and couldn't find any sign of his birth in Loughborugh between 1730-1760. The only James Stevenson I found was in Market Harborough.

[diddymiller]

my mistake in transcribing from my notes:

Elizabeth is d/o George & Joanne

there are quite a lot of records on IGI that have a 'relative' mentioned. wonder whether these were actually witnesses / god parents at the actual event. that would be possible if james Stevenson perhaps worked with Elizabeths father/friend of family and was her godfather.

 works today - my dads father was my mums godfather as the 2 families were friends before my mum & dad were born.  ahhhhh 

Diddy

[vivijune]

I have the same, my parents were what I think is called 'kissing cousins'. (Someone in my dad's greater family always married someone in my mom's greater family every generation going back in villages 5 miles apart in Bedfordshire.)

Thanks to the explanation of the frequency of the name listed as relative.... either as an uncle or as a godfather. May I ask do you see a James Stevenson in Loughborough between 1730- 1770. I don't see any!

[diddymiller]

he might not have come from loughborough of course... maybe one of the villages. (just to make things awkward for us!!

Diddy

[vivijune]

Of course, you're right. The minute someone is from out of town, meaning Loughborough it gets so much more difficult. Remember how we went round and round at the beginning thinking that our set of Stevensons were the ones in Quordon?