Owlet Hall, Dalton, Huddersfield

[sandrastocks54]

Hi everybody

I'm just back from holiday and I've ordered some documents at Huddersfield archives to view later this week.

I've ordered the KC249/6 re Hullot Hall and also a few documents from the Whitley Beaumont Estate .... the 1822 map of the estate in Kirkheaton, Survey of Estate 1820 to 1857 and a list of tenants in the 19th Century, also a plan of the railway through the Whitley Beaumont Estate 1843-45.

If anybody would like me to look up people or places, let me know - might as well find as much as I can whilst I'm there!

Sandra

[tadorsett]

If you could check among the tenants for James Broadbent and William Kilner, I'd very much appreciate it. The Broadbents lived in Coldroyd; the Kilners, in Laverock Hall.
Thanks!
TAD in USA

[sandrastocks54]

I've been to the archives today.  Unfortunately the 1822 map wasn't available - it's been sent away for conservation.

The only place I found mention of Hullot Hall was on the KC249/6 1872 map mentioned by George Redmonds.  Hullot Hall was a croft (grass) and the occupier at the time was Thomas Newhill, who also had the tenancy of old cottages and gardens adjacent to Hullot Hall croft, which looks on the map to be a large field.  These cottages may be the same ones that are still there on the left hand side of Cold Royd, but not sure about that.

The Survey of tenants in 1826 didn't mention Hullot or Owlet Hall.  I didn't find my Howard ancestors in the list. 

I've ordered another couple of maps of Dalton - 1811 and 1842 - and I'm going back next week to take a look.

Tad - I wasn't sure of the timeframe for your Broadbents and Kilners, but made a note of those I found in the 1826 tenants list.  It didn't give much information as to where the tenants lived, just a number which relates to a map, which I didn't have a copy of...

James Broadbent was tenant of part 25, 1 cottage, pigcote, ashhouse and garden, and part 23 1 cottage, pigcote and ashhouse.  This was in the Kirkheaton area.

In Dalton, there was a Martha Pontey (now Thomas Kilner) (I assume Thomas Kilner took over from Martha Pontey, not that she had changed her identity!) - tenant of 1 Ash Bridge, 4 Brown Close, 5 Croft and allotment, 7 Pinnacle, 9 Long Ing, 11 Top of Wood, 6 1 messuage, 1 cottage, barn, mistal, pigcote, ashhouse, shed and garden

I also looked at the Kirkheaton survey of graves in the churchyard.  Do you have the grave inscription for your James Broadbent?  I found four graves relating to James and Ruth Broadbent of Cold Royd and their sons from 1848 to 1863.  If you haven't got them, let me know and I'll copy them out for you next time I'm in.

Sandra

[tadorsett]

Sandra,

Thanks very much!  It was very kind of you to keep me in mind.  I doubt that either of the James Broadbents you found in Kirkheaton was mine.  My records indicate that there were at least four James Broadbents in that vicinity at that time, and mine is supposed to have had around 7-9 acres at Coldroyd, which is definitely in Dalton.  The James who dwelt at Coldroyd was born in 1770 and died in 1840.  He married Ruth North, and they are indeed the ones for whom you found monument inscriptions.  I have those inscriptions from several different sources.  They appear to have succeeded Ruth's people at Coldroyd; that is, the Norths, who dwelt at Coldroyd for several generations.

As for Owlet/Hullet Hall:  I will try to attach a picture on which I have circled the house I think might have been Owlet Hall, given the info you previously posted.  Of the extant houses having Cold Royd Lane addresses, it is my understanding that (1) the place I think was Owlet Hall was wholly or partly demolished in the 20th century and replaced with the existing detached dwelling (although it looks as if it could be the remnants of the old building, just renovated); (2) the cottages on the left side, down a short lane near the intersection with Newland Road, were formerly called "Bank Side"; and (3) the old stone building on the right side as one ascends Cold Royd Lane, between the old railroad grade and Newland Road, is "Coldroyd," where the Norths and Broadbents (and later Kilners) dwelt.  If one looks across the meadows to the westward from Cold Royd Lane, the place down a short lane from Jagger Lane is what was formerly called "Laverock."  It was the home of William Kilner and afterwards his son Thomas Kilner.

Again, I appreciate your efforts very much.

TAD in USA

[sandrastocks54]

Thanks for the picture Tad.  I can take a picture of the current buildings and let you have a copy to compare with the postcard.  From the map I have, the building on the left looks like it could be the cottages next to Hullot Hall croft but until I see an earlier map I won't know whether the cottages were Owlet Hall or if there were some earlier buildings there.

I notice you have Tolson on your list of names.  Were they from Dalton?  If so, my ancestors may have worked for your ancestors!

Sandra

[tadorsett]

Sandra,

Re Tolson:  My immigrant ancestor, John Broadbent of Coldroyd (1795-1856; whose death is recorded on one of the Broadbent monuments in Kirkheaton), married (first) Ann Kilner.  Her parents were William and Dorothy (Tolson) Kilner, of Laverock Hall.  In turn, Dorothy Tolson Kilner was the daughter of Ephraim and Ann (Poole) Tolson, of Myers, Dalton Green.  The last-named couple were also the ancestors of the Tolsons who were prosperous manufacturers of Dalton; one of them, Legh Tolson, wrote the history of Kirkheaton Parish and gave the corporation the current Tolson Museum.  Ephraim Tolson was the son of John and Dorothy (Richardson) Tolson, also of Myers.

So yep! they were from Dalton.  Also, Ann (Kilner) Broadbent's sister Sarah married Joshua Tolson, of Dalton.

Thanks for asking!
TAD in USA

[ClaireWhi]

I wounder if it could be Nether Hall which is on Rawthorpe Lane. It also went under other names namely Dalton Hall (although it is in Rawthorpe and ironically Rawthorpe Hall which was also on Rawthorpe Lane was in Dalton). it was more like a farm stead and it was turned into three houses.
There is a footpath that's goes from Long Lane to Rawthorpe Lane which came out near the hall and on some maps it was named Coule Royd.

John

Re Rawthorpe Hall, my ancestors lived there leading up to 1882.. John and Mary Ann Ellam (who divorced in 1882). Were they ancestors of yours John? I don’t know what happened to Mary Ann after that.. It would be great to find an old photo of the house / area, but it’s hard from Australia..

Claire

[sstarr2008]

Rawthorpe Hall is one of the few remaining halls in our area. It is now divided into two houses and the timber framed building has been covered in stone.
If you go on google maps and look at the junction of Rawthorpe Lane and Foxlow Avenue you can see it.

Stu

[J.R.Ellam]

Hi

Wrong Hall Stu. Rawthorpe Hall was what used to be the Rawthorpe Workingmen's Club. The one you mention is Nether Hall or Dalton Hall.
Claire I cannot see a John Ellam that married a Mary on my tree but if you let me know when he was born I will have look to see if I have anything about him.

John