Nicholas Salmon b France

[wilcoxon]

I have come across this man in a friends family tree, but we know nothing much about him.
We have found a little on the web and an old post on RC asking about him. ( below )
There is also a tree online saying he was born in Lorraine, France.
I have found the marriage  on 2 Oct 1796 in London , and some adverts  for a book -
The complete system of the French language; ... By Nicholas Salmon
Author:   Nicholas Salmon
Publisher:   London : Printed for the author, by T. Spilsbury; and sold by Mr. Elmsley; Mr. Hookham; and Mr. Richardson, 1788.

"I am seeking information on Nicholas Salmon - birth, marriage  & death details. He was a language teacher at Red Lion St, Clerkenwell & an author of many French dictionaries from 1788 to 1821. He died prior to 1841 census. His wife was Barbara ."

Is there anyone who can  help  me any more with this man, I have his family after his death, it`s just his birth  and his teaching  I would like to find more about. Where did the poster find these details I wonder ?
Thanks

[sargie]

You can find some of his books on Google Books.

[wilcoxon]

Thanks, i have come across those, it`s the man himself I was curious about.
I may have found his baptism on IGI, but his burial would be good.

[jorose]

Was he ever in Bedford?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ has a couple of documents circa 1814/1815 about a Nicholas Salmon, schoolmaster at Biggleswade.

The earliest I can find of him in England is an advertisement in the "World and Fashionable Advertiser" of 1787, where he is described as having "during the course of 16 years" been a teacher to the gentry in both France and England.

In Google Books there is a book given the rather longwinded name of:

La France littéraire ou dictionnaire bibliographique des savants, historiens et gens de lettres de la France, ainsi que les littérateurs étrangers qui ont écrit en français, plus particulièrement: pendant les XVIIIè et XIXè siècles

Which has some info on his writing including some works (reprints?) which look to have been published in Paris later than your 1821.

[wilcoxon]

I have come across a Nicholas - schoolteacher , who could have been a son,
1838. August 28th  St Mary Woolwich
Elizabeth Barbara Salmon married Thomas Self.
Father Nicholas George Thomas Salmon schoolteacher ?

But  there also is a Nicholas George Thomas Salmon 1798 – 1837 who was a police  officer. He was the son of Nicholas George( John)  Thomas Salmon and  Sarah who was Nicks second wife.

George Henry Salmon b 1836 
Baptised 30 Nov 1836 - Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene, Surrey.
Father Nicholas George Thomas Salmon , Police constable
Mother Sarah Salmon. Abode Salisbury Place.


Whether these are the same man 

[wilcoxon]

This is my trail so far, and I am trying to confirm that Nicholas the Frenchman was the ancestor of George Salmon in 1841/1851.
 I have managed to use a friends Anc ** to find records, but as I am not familier with this area can`t be sure.
Any help with be greatly appreciated . There must be some records available I don`t know about.
Have image means it is on Anc*

Have image  Left side of page . 7 down
Nicholas G T Salmon  born 3 Oct 1798 bapt  Jan 3 1799
Father Nicholas. Mother Barbara.
Have not found death of either parents.

Have image
1818 Nicholas George Thomas Salmon married Aphra Hodson St Pancras ,
Marriage Index image.

Death of Aphra not found.

Have image
Nicholas George Thomas Salmon widower married Sarah Nuttall widow
15 Feb 1835 - Tower Hamlets, Middlesex. Banns St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
16 Apr 1835 - Tower Hamlets, Middlesex. Marriage  “”

Have image
Nicholas George Thomas Salmon b 1835
Bapt 8 July 1835 St Paul Deptford.
Father  Nicholas John  ?Thomas Salmon Police officer
Mother Sarah Salmon , Abode Church Street

No bapt found for this little boy.
Have image,
Westminster , St George Hanover Sqare
1828  Sept 13. burial Nicholas Harding Copley Salmon aged 3 ½
Abode Kings Row.

Have image
George Henry Salmon b 1836 
Baptised 30 Nov 1836 - Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene, Surrey.
Father Nicholas George Thomas Salmon , Police constable
Mother Sarah Salmon. Abode Salisbury Place.

Have image
Death 1837 .Nicholas George Thomas Salmon of Salisbury Street
Buried 20 Dec 1837. St James Church Bermondsey. aged 57

George Salmon 1841 / 1851
Father supposedly Nicholas George Thomas Salmon 1798 – 1837 who was married to Aphra Hodson , she must have died between 1818 and 1835.
So was May / Mary Wilkinson the mother of Sarah who was a widow when she married Nicholas
 
1841
Godfrey Street Woolwich Dockyard
Sarah Salmon 30 ind Y
May Wilkins 70 ind Y
George Salmon 4 Y

1851
1851  Class: HO107; Piece: 1588; Folio: 350; Page: 40
Goprey / Godfrey Street , Woolwich Dockyard
Sarah Salmon wid 42 annutitant b Lewisham  Kent
George Salmon  son 15 plumber b Bermonsey
Mary Wilkinson  visitor 82 annuitant b Deptford kent
Elizabeth Long 3 visitor b Woolich Kent.

[wilcoxon]

Now I getting confused. are the schoolteacher and policeman the one and the same, or not ?
I would take a guess with the occupation , schoolteacher seems to fit more with this
Nicholas G T Salmon  born 3 Oct 1798 bapt  Jan 3 1799
Father Nicholas. Mother Barbara.
Have not found death of either parents.

Have image
Marriage 2 Oct 1796
Nicholas Salmon widwer married  Barbara Harding widow.

Have image
1838. August 28th  St Mary Woolwich
Elizabeth Barbara Salmon married Thomas Self.
Father Nicholas George Thomas Salmon schoolteacher

1861 RG9; Piece: 404; Folio: 84; Page: 15;
Thomas Self 38 plumber painter b London
Elizabeth Self 37 b Warwickshire
William N 10 b Woolwich
Thomas 7 b “
Henry G 4 b “
Walter C 2 b “
ELIZABETH LONG 13 niece b Woolwich
This matches the 1851, so it seems George is probably half brother to Elizabeth ( Barbara ) Self.

[Valda]

Hi

The Gentleman's Magazine 1858
At her resdience Portland ter., Leamington Warwickshire aged 89 Mrs Barbara Salmon widow of Nicholas Salmon esq author of Stemmata Latinitatis and several works in the English and French languages and mother of Mr J C Salmon of Highworth Wilts.

J C was John Cook Salmon baptised in Lewisham in 1802 an auctioneer and registrar in Highworth Wiltshire who married at St Sepulchre City of London in 1824 as a widower Mary Hedges who was born in Highworth.

Deaths Dec 1857  Salmon  Barbara    Warwick  6d 309


1851 census HO107 2027 folio 406
2 St James Place Leamington Warwickshire
Barbara Salmon 82 Head Widow Author's wife Sunderland Durham
Matilda Salmon 39 Daughter Embroideress St Mary Bedford

Mother and daughter in Leamington on the 1841 census.


MATILDA SALMON
Birth:  15 JUL 1809   
Christening:  26 NOV 1809   Saint Mary, Bedford, Bedford
Father: NICHOLAS SALMON
Mother:  BARBARA 


There is a burial of a Nicholas Salmon 1st February 1819 aged 75 in Hampton Lucy Warwickshire which is about 9 miles away from Leamington Spa. Might be him and equally might not. No evidence as yet either way.


Regards

Valda

[wilcoxon]

Thanks Valda,  a lot to think about there