How many Samuel CHAPMANs in South Australia?

[Little_Nell57]

I am seeking information relating to my gguncle, who arrived in Australia (NSW records state Sydney/Newcastle) on the "Bangalore" in January 1855, with his older brother, Josiah.  Parents were Josiah CHAPMAN and Ann ABBOTT.  Apparently Samuel went to South Australia and Josiah lost contact with him after a while.  Josiah remained in NSW and married Catherine GALBRAITH.  Apparently there are several Samuel CHAPMANs of this vintage in SA, and with no further identifying information, locating the right one is proving very difficult.

Forward thanks for any assistance provided, it is greatly appreciated.

Narelle

[Robert Coble]

hi,
Where was he born and what year there will help t fine your Samuel

[majm]

Hi there,

There are two sets of lists of passengers at the NSW SRO for that voyage (arriving 13 Jan 1855) and it is possible that it came firstly to Sydney and then went to Newcastle...  the lists should show you their native place and their age as recorded by the emigration agent in 1855

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316

Have you tried the trove digitised newspapers for mention of the ship, or of the Chapman lads ? http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

Fingers crossed these suggestions will be of help

Cheers,  JM

[SASHAR]

Hi Narelle,
In the Biographical Index of Sth Australia there is:-
CHAPMAN Samuel:  parent Josiah.
born c1829 Kent England died 8.11.1878 Lochiel SA, buried Kybunga Sth Aust.
arrived: 1852 on the CHARLOTTE JANE
occupation:  farmer residing Kybunga, Lochiel    rel:  Meth
married:  9.10.1856 Adelaide, Caroline NEVILLE born c1823 died 2.11.1907 buried Lochiel SA.
children:
Annie E  c1860-1928
Josiah c1865-1939
2 more sons.

The Josiah name and lst child as Annie seem to fit the rest of your CHAPMAN's.
Some of the dates may help you search TROVE as JM has suggested.

Hope that helps,
Sashar

[cando]

Arrival
CHAPMANSamuel  25 years on the BANGALORE arrived 1855 Sydney and/or Newcastle and brother   Fiche# 839

So we are looking for a Samuel CHAPMAN born c1830.

I have a Samuel CHAPMAN in my OH's tree however he was having children in SA in 1852 and the one that SASHAR has posted arrived SA in 1852.  There is another one who arrived in 1836 and his arrive with his family.

However this marriage looks promising

CHAPMAN Samuel  27 years  Status not known  Father Josiah CHAPMAN
NEVILLE Caroline 28 years  Status not known  Father George NEVILLE
9 Oct 1856
At Trinity Church,Adelaide    Ade  28/28

Do you know the name of Josiah and Samuel's father?

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Another thread about Samuel and Josiah
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,534107.0.html

Cando

[Little_Nell57]

My Josiah and Samuel were the sons of Josiah CHAPMAN and Ann ABBOTT.  Josiah Snr was an Independent Minister listed in Steeple Bum(p)stead Census post Josiah Jnr and Samuel's departure.

Thanks muchly for the replies from all, however the Samuel CHAPMAN who married Caroline NEVILLE, I have been told is not the one I am looking for as he arrived in 1852 on the 'Charlotte Jane'.  My Samuel was born in 1829, arriving as a 25 year old (maybe not having had his 26th birthday prior to arrival).  Josiah was 27 at time of arrival.

I know that I had posted on the England thread re Samuel and Josiah, but I hoped that by putting a post on the Australia thread that it might provide a different approach to a vexing problem.  And this one is specifically looking for Samuel, as I know where Josiah ended up, him being my ggrandfather. 

I really appreciate the help being offered, as there is no one left in the older generation on either side of my family who can help.  Like someone posted elsewhere, I do wish I had paid more attention when my parents were still alive.

Narelle

[majm]

Some thoughts ...

Rhetorical questions perhaps ....

Both the Charlotte Jane and the Bangalore arrived in January 1852.  Charlotte Jane into Adelaide and Bangalore into Sydney, possibly with transhipments onto Newcastle.   

Is it possible that the passenger lists at the NSW State Records Office are based on embarkation records, rather than arrival records ?   Could these two ships have been in any "foreign" port together along the voyage, and one of the lads ended up on the other vessel during the voyage ....  Did they both depart from the same port of origin?  Was the same shipping agent handling both vessels...

Or were there two lads on the high seas in late 1851 heading to the Australian goldfields both named Samuel CHAPMAN  ...


Cheers,  JM

[maidmarianoops]

where did the details of the ship bangalore come from
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm#1855

so far this is what i found


to early for yours
Geg Chapman
Est Birth  1830
Age 22
Arrival 4 Sep 1852
Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Dep Port London
Ship Bangalore
English



Bangalore (1) 1867 1886 sold to Hajee Cassum Joosub for pilgrim trade to Jeddah.   
Bangalore (2)   was actually owned by Hain Line

still looking
sylvia