Dates please - and who is the bride?

[Yorkslass]

Hello all,

These are photocopies of photos, not brilliant I'm afraid, but there is no way I can get the originals. 
The person who gave them to me has passed away (and she never had the originals, just these copies), but she did give me some "clues"....

Could any of you clever people give a date for both photos, and on the wedding photo, do you think the bride is the lady seated on the middle left, or right?  Look at those hats!!

Also (sorry to ask so many questions) do any of you think the lady in the second photo, on her own, is the same person as the lady seated middle right, but a bit younger?

And finally, are they too bad for any restoration?

Many thanks,
Yorkslass

[Yorkslass]

Here is the second photo of the lady on her own

Yorkslass

[chinakay]

First one about 1905-1910, second a bit later, 1912 or so.

Cheers,
China

[RedMystic]

I'm just an observer passing through with no expertise, however, I think it would be odd to have two dresses & bouquets virtually the same; different hats it appears. It leads me to wonder if it was a double wedding. Perhaps not though, as it looks like the woman to the right is holding flowers equally as large.

[Yorkslass]

Thank you China.  I was rather hoping the second photo was the older of the two, as I thought she was the same (but younger as the lady seated right).  Some resemblance though, methinks.

Thanks for your comments RedMystic.  I thought maybe lady seated middle left was a bridesmaid, as I noticed the skirts of the younger bridesmaids are similar. Trouble is, the detail of the other ladies' skirt is hidden by that ginormous bouquet!

Does anyone agree there is a similarity too between the two younger men, and the two older?
Could they be two sets of brothers?

Yorkslass

[RedMystic]

Hi Yorkslass

I'd say that the two older gentlemen look the same because of the moustaches, but the rest of the features are not quite a match.

The two younger men (far left & centre) look very similar. They appear to have common features (particularly the nose & mouth) with the woman seated on the far left & perhaps (trying to compensate a bit for the quality of the pic & the moustache) the older man seated on the far right.

[Seoras]

Is it possible none of these are the bride,maybe it's a photo of bridesmaids,maids of honour,pages etc.

[Yorkslass]

Thanks for replying again Red - I agree with you.

Seoras - thanks for your interest and reply.

I was told this was the wedding of one Ughtred Ashworth, who was my mother in law's Uncle.  He was born 1886, and married in 1908, which makes China's date spot-on.

I think I assumed (as did my m-i-law) that the chap with his hand on the chair in the middle was the bridegroom and the younger man probably his younger brother, Emil Ashworth, who was born 1890.
She also told me one of the younger bridesmaids was another Sibling, Maud Ashworth, born 1896, but I haven't a clue which one she may be!

Thanks again for replying. It all helps so much to sort things out!

Yorkslass

[Viktoria]

Have  you noticed the "ghost" in the background? Behind the young woman standing a little apart.

Actually it looks like a double exposure.

I  can`t make out who is actually the bride in this photo,  perhaps the lady on her own nearer the front, and yes she does resemble the person in the second photo .
                                                                                         
                                                                                 Viktoria.