Jewish community Diss 1700's

[Eppingjewish]

Dear Marmalady,

Yes if I discover further information I'll let you know.

Regards,

Nicky

[Marmalady]

Have just found that there were other Levi families in King's Lynn in the 1780's -- so these are good candidates for my Moses's family:

http://www.foxearth.org.uk/1783NorfolkChronicle.html has the following transcriptions:

Jonas LEVI, a Jew, son of Solomon LEVI, of Lynn, a youth about the age of 16 years  who was attacked and robbed
a sailor, whose name is FOX, was taken up at West-Winch, on suspicion of being the perpetrator of this horrid act


......  FOX, the footpad from Lynn, who robbed and cruelly beat the son of Mr LEVI, silversmith of the same place.
...Robert FOX, convicted of robbing Isaac LEVI of King's Lynn, travelling silversmith, and most dangerously beating him, received sentence of death,
...OX, for robbing and cruelly treating Isaac LEVI, a Jew lad about 16 years of age.


There seems to be some confusion as to whether the victim was called Jonas or Isaac Levi, but he & his father certainly seem to be living openly as Jews in King's Lynn at the time when my Moses was in Diss.

Jonas /Isaac would be about 18 years younger than Moses so could be a brother or a nephew

[JustinL]

Nicky,

I can't explain your DNA test results. Was it an autosomal DNA test? I would speculate that the results are due to the difficulties in distinguishing segments of DNA that are identical by descent (IBD) from those that are identical by state (IBS).

This may interest you:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zOMRAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=baptists+hoxne&source=bl&ots=IoKXN28ZnL&sig=G0QjqMa3IdFRXBIHLvmZhLjQzuo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj88evctevNAhXEmBoKHaWFB6c4ChDoAQggMAE#v=onepage&q=baptists%20hoxne&f=false

[Eppingjewish]

JustinL,

Thank you for that. It is very interesting but that suggests Baptists from the 1810s in the area and my relatives have Hebrew names earlier than that period including more obscure ones such as Jabez.

Also did you see what I wrote about things like the beards, niece-uncle marriages etc.

In terms of autosomal DNA yes it was partly Ashkenazi and I understand about similarities with groups such as Italians etc.

My autosomal DNA is British Isles, Scandinavian, Sami, Italian, Other Southern European as well as the Ashkenazi part.

Another thing is that one of my relatives is a Thirza and that Hebrew name only tends to be used in the Netherlands so I'm not sure if it would really be used by English Non-conformists.

I used a fairly reputable company, DNA worldwide.

Regards,

Nicky

[Marmalady]

JustinL,

 
Another thing is that one of my relatives is a Thirza and that Hebrew name only tends to be used in the Netherlands so I'm not sure if it would really be used by English Non-conformists.

Regards,

Nicky

I don't know where you got that info from, but Thirza is a fairly common name in the UK too

An Ancestry search for Thirza born 1800 - 1820 in Norfolk brings up over 1500 records. Even if some of them are duplicates, that still leaves hundreds of Thirzas born in that 20 year period just in Norfolk, let alone the rest of the country.

[JustinL]

I think we need to split this thread before the waters become very muddied.

Nicky - could you perhaps provide more details (i.e. places, dates and parentage) of those ancestors with the Biblical names? Have you been able to verfiy whether a Harvey ancestor married his niece or not? That incident should have produced quite a document trail in the parish records.

Marmalady - King's Lynn was a major port at the time with a Jewish community from at least the 1740s. However, Diss is much closer to Norwich, Ipswich and Great Yarmouth, all of which had Jewish communties from the 18th century. Unfortunately, Levy/Levi is one of the most common Jewish surnames, and very difficult to research. I should know - it's my surname! What do the IGI submitted entries have to say about Moses and Frances?

PS: By coincidence, one of my most distant identifiable ancestors was a Moses Levi, whose daughter Tsipora married into my patrilineal Levy line in 1772. That was in Bavaria though.

[Marmalady]

Marmalady - King's Lynn was a major port at the time with a Jewish community from at least the 1740s. However, Diss is much closer to Norwich, Ipswich and Great Yarmouth, all of which had Jewish communties from the 18th century. Unfortunately, Levy/Levi is one of the most common Jewish surnames, and very difficult to research. I should know - it's my surname! What do the IGI submitted entries have to say about Moses and Frances?

The PRs are now on FreeReg -- but unfortunately they give no further usefull info about Moses.
On one of their children's burial records he is noted as a Pauper -- which does make connection to a Silversmithing family unlikely
back to the drawing board!

[JustinL]

As Moses had most likely 'married out', he could well have been ostracised by his family.

Did you notice that Frances was Moses' second wife? He had previously been married to a Mary who was buried on 25 March 1778 in Diss. She had possibly died as a consequence of giving birth to Judith who was buried on 21 Feb 1779, aged 1.

[Marmalady]

Yes, I had got Moses's first wife and child -- but so far have not found any more details of this marriage