Michael Duggan History(1867) in Ireland???

[shanew147]

a possible birth for one of the children from FreeBMD - under Doogan :

  Quarter/Year  : Dec/1880
  Name : Robert Patrick Doogan
  Registration District :  Sheffield   
  Volume : 9c   
  Page : 495


Shane

[shanew147]

a possible match for Michael's birth under a similar variation in spelling :

  Quarter/Year : Dec / 1866   
  Name : Michael Dougan            
  Registration District : Sheffield   
  Volume : 9c
  Page : 441    

Are you certain the family listed on the 1871 census are your Duggan family ?

Based on the English census returns, and now this possible birth, it seems to me that this Michael was born in England not Ireland... 

How were you able to connect your Michael with this family in Sheffield - did the entire Duggan family emigrate together ?


Shane

[MontanaQR]

I actually think the last 2 searches were a bit of a stretch for us. First they would have had to drop 1 (G) and the ages are a little off, plus some of the names we have not heard off. We probably saw it because of Sheffield again and the ages were somewhat close......moving past that one.
 Still funny how for Michael on the census, it's wrote Ireland and then scratched out, yet documents going into 1920 for Michael he has birth as Ireland or Irish free state. And his Petition for U.S. Naturalization 1900, he wrote Formal Nationality as "Queen United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland". It looks as though from the 1900 census he has he was born in Ireland and immigrated from Queenstown (port) to the U.S. in 1893. And Catherine came in 1895 (when they married) in NY.
 Sheffield and most of the kids being born there could still be a possibility though. Still trying to find out Mary's last name and where they may have come from. From the 1920 U.S. census it looks as though Catherine had died before then.........Still working at it.  Mary Duggan married Dave Stryker in N.Y. after 1920. If I could nail down her time of death, we might be able to see where she born? Thanks for all your help...... 

[shanew147]

The free state (Saorstát Éireann in Irish) was formed in 1922, so technically he would be correct to say he was born in the UK as all of Ireland was part of it before then. The free state later (1949) became the Republic of Ireland.

Your best bet is to follow up on certs and other records for any of the Duggan family you can in the US.

Did Michael travel to the US on his own or did the all the Duggan family go together ?

 

Shane

[shanew147]

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I actually think the last 2 searches were a bit of a stretch for us. First they would have had to drop 1 (G) and the ages are a little off, plus some of the names we have not heard off. We probably saw it because of Sheffield again and the ages were somewhat close......moving past that one.
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I may be misinterpreting your point here - but I'm pretty sure those two census returns relate to the same family - ages are very close, the minor change in spelling is not significant - plus the occupation for the father is the same


Shane

[MontanaQR]

The 1871 census is dead on, I can't deny that, all the records support that. The other ones (1881) are close but not exact and there is no Kate and the addition of the other children who never show up again. I believe that Jno Duggan (nephew) never made the trip, from the census....... she lost 1 child. I believe the occupation he had there as a Engine fitter was quite common as was our name....Duggan/Dugan. I think the original census from 1871 is probably the right one, but 1881 seems a little bit of a stretch.
Thank you again, this is fun 

[aghadowey]

Have been doing a bit of searching and found quite a bit of information which should sort out some of the confusion here.

Starting with the Sheffield family-
marriage: Jan./Mar.1866 (9c 558 Sheffield) Thomas Dougan- a Mary McDonald on same page.
birth: Oct./Dec.1866 (9c 441 Sheffield) Michael Dougan

Michael Dugan born 1 Nov.1866 Sheffield, father Thomas mother Mary McDonald, spouse Gertrude, died 31 Jan.1941 B.C., Canada
Border Crossing- Nov.1913 Victoria BC: Michael Dugan, age 45, b.Sheffield
Border Crossing- 9 Aug.1930 Sumas, Washington State: Michael Dugan, 63, b.Sheffield, wife Gertrude, brother? Joseph?

All from LDS database.

[aghadowey]

Now for your Michael Duggan. Note: there are at least 3 Michael Duggans with wife Catherine in Manhattan at the same time!

Michael Duggan married 26 June 1895 Manhattan to Catherine Collins (Italian Genealogy website NY marriages)

1900 Census- Manhattan
Michael Duggan, Mar.1867, Ireland, to US 1893, driver
wife Catherine Duggan, July 1870, Ireland, to US 1895, 3 ch./2 liv., m.5 yrs
dau. Mary Duggan, June 1899, NY
Note: think it should be 3 children/2 died

Naturalization- 19 April 1900. Michael Duggan, age 33, driver, British citizen, arried NY Oct.1893.

1910 Census- Manhattan
Michael Duggan, 42, Ireland, to US 1895, salesman-brewery
wife Catherine Duggan, 40, Ireland, m.14 yrs, 6 ch./4 liv., to US 1893
dau. Mary Duggan, 10; dau. Margaret Duggan, 8; dau. Josephine, 5; son John J., 3 (all b.NY).

1920 Census- Manhattan
Michael Duggan, 52, Ireland, wid., to US 1890 Na.1899, engineer R.R.
dau. Margaret, 19; dau.? Joseph?, 16; son John, 13 (all b.NY, parents both b.Ireland).

1930 Census- Manhattan (in household of David Stryker)
Michael Duggan, 52, Irish Free State, to US 1890 Na., engineer- office building. Also dau. Margaret age 29.
Note: since the 1930 census was taken after the Partition of Ireland this indicates Michael was born in one of the 26 counties in the present Republic of Ireland.

Mary A. Duggan married 21 Apr.1919 Manhattan to David P. Stryker (from Italian Genealogy website N.Y. marriage index)

ALL of these U.S. details match your family. There is NO mention of Sheffield (or anywhere else in England).

I looked for birth in IRELAND for Michael Duggan but not enough info to make a match even with month and year. Same problem with Catherine Collins.

[shanew147]

hi MontanaQR ,

To restart your search you need that death cert that you mentioned earlier - and it might also be worth chasing up a cert for that marriage that aghadowey located for Michael and Catherine. Hopefully one or both of these will give you vital clues such parents names and place of birth...

If you are lucky then the parents married after the start of full civil records in 1864 so possible marriage references might be found on the BMD Index.

If they married earlier than this you have to hope for a detailed location for the family to establish which parish they lived in, so you can check the availability of parish record for the area


Shane