Michael Duggan History(1867) in Ireland???

[MontanaQR]

Looking for information on where my great grandfather Michael Duggan (1867) was born in Ireland? His Father Thomas (1841) & Mother (1846). He married Catherine Collins (born 1870) and they had 4 children Mary, Margaret, Josephine & John. Moved from Ireland around 1893 to New York after spending some time in Sheffield, England (1871). So far on the census, ship records & naturalation, I get only Ireland & Irish Free State. 

[shanew147]

You could try searching the BMD Index for possible matches, but Duggan is a relatively common surname in Ireland so you would probably need a few more clues to locate the correct family.

Do you know the maiden surname for his mother, or names and years of birth for any siblings ?

Where did Michael & Catherine marry ?

see :

   Introduction to Irish Records
   My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start?




Shane

[shanew147]

Is this your Duggan family on the 1871 English census in Sheffield ?

  Thomas Duggan 30   Occupation : engine fitter
  Mary Duggan  25
  Michael Duggan  4
  Kate Duggan  2
  Thomas Duggan 9 Months
  Jno M Duggan    6  (Nephew)

Son Michael appears to be born in Sheffield, all the rest of the family born in Ireland.

Ref : RG10 / Piece 4695 / Folio 64 / Page 26


Shane

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[MontanaQR]

Yes, that's them. I'm trying to find where Thomas & Mary Duggan are from in Ireland. I don't have her surname and as you can see there children were Kate (1869), Thomas (1870), Michael and Jno/nephew (haven't figured that one out yet).    We are heading to Ireland at the end of July. I have ordered Michael's death certificate in hopes it may have where his father was born in Ireland.  Thank you.....

I guess that since Michael was born in England (while his Father worked there for awhile) I will have to rely on Thomas & Mary, although I believe they all came back to Ireland from England where Michael met Catherine Collins and married.

So far on the census, ship records & naturalation, I get only Ireland & Irish Free State.

[shanew147]

Full civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 (in England in mid-1837), so it might be better to try following up on the children first. Michael might be the best to start with since at least you have possible place of birth for him - i.e. Sheffield.

If you can find his birth it would give you Mary's maiden name, which might help locate the marriage of Thomas and Mary in Ireland - which in turn would give you the place of residence at the time, father's names etc


Shane

[MontanaQR]

Will try that....Thanks 

[MontanaQR]

It may be that Thomas was born in Tipperary in 1841 & Mary (?) in Roscommon in 1846 

[shanew147]

It may be that Thomas was born in Tipperary in 1841 & Mary (?) in Roscommon in 1846  ?

Counties Tipperary and Roscommon are not close, so if this is correct it could mean the marriage was at an intermediate location...

To start a search for either Thomas or Mary's baptism you would need more specific details - such as location (i.e. parish), and a father's name. That's why a marriage cert could help - but without knowing Mary's maiden name a search for that is not practical, since there would be no way to know if any Thomas Duggan marriages located were the correct one

Did Thomas and Mary have any other children born in England after Thomas ?

p.s. have you found the family on the English 1881 census ?


Shane

[shanew147]

is this your Duggan/Dugan family in 1881 - again in Sheffield ?

  Thomas Dugan 41, Engine fitter, born Co. Tipperary
  Mary Dugan 36, born Co. Roscommon
  Michael Dugan 15, Engine turner[?]
  Thomas Dugan  10
  John W. Dugan 9
  James Dugan 5
  Obadiah J. Dugan 3
  Robert P. Dugan 6 Mon

Ref : RG11 / Piece 4661 / Folio 107 / Page: 30

All the children are listed as being born in Sheffield. You would think a birth registration for rare name like Obadiah would be easy to spot - but I dont see anything close on FreeBMD

The 1871 census is a little unclear with regard to places of birth - most of the details are ditto'd, but the entry beside Michael is crossed out and replaced with Sheffield. Could that have meant place of birth  Ireland for Thomas and Mary and Sheffield for all the children ?  That would fit with the 1881 census...

If that's correct then maybe the marriage of Thomas and Mary took place in England .... which might make more sense since they had origins in different parts of Ireland.


Shane

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