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Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
« Reply #414 on: Tuesday 09 September 25 22:39 BST (UK) »
Lastly, plot G499
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #415 on: Tuesday 09 September 25 23:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Lodger for the photos. I really appreciate it.

Yes William McIlwraith married Harriet Donnelly daughter of Thomas Donnelly and Sarah Helen Prentice Hyde in G1679.
Harriet McIlwraith died 2nd December 2017, probably buried there too.
 
I understand that cemetery stones also have a life expectancy with the elements and at the mercy of vandals.

Does anyone go to South Dalziel Cemetery? Sarah Helen Guy died 5th January 1888 Motherwell and is buried in South Dalziel. Her son John Guy paid for a headstone. According to Harriet McIlwraith there was a confusion over the death / burial but nothing investigated further.

Thanks for your time
Mandy


 

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« Reply #416 on: Wednesday 10 September 25 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Mandy, I have the transcriptions and a list of plot owners for South Dalziel churchyard but the stone for Sarah Guy has not survived, sorry. You are not having much luck with these stones!
John Guy is listed as being a plot owner but no other information is given and there are no burial records for South Dalziel.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #417 on: Wednesday 10 September 25 07:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Lodger,
Not much luck at all with gravestones, thanks for looking.
John Guy has been missing since 1865. Would he have buried his mother close to him or is Dalziel just be a cheaper option. Family story said he paid for his mother's grave, he is still a mystery.

I appreciate what you have sent me, thank you very much.

Happy hunting from sunny Queensland
Mandy


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« Reply #418 on: Wednesday 10 September 25 08:11 BST (UK) »

John Guy has been missing since 1865. Would he have buried his mother close to him or is Dalziel just be a cheaper option.


No, South Dalziel was the parish burial ground, so it was the only option. There was an older, out of the way "Dalziel Parish" burial ground but, by the mid-19th century it was full and only old Motherwell families who already had plots there were allowed to use it. No one by the name of Guy listed in the monumental inscriptions there either.
What do you know about John Guy? Origins? Occupation? The family may have moved here for work, Motherwell was a "boom" town in those days.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #419 on: Wednesday 10 September 25 11:26 BST (UK) »
in a nutshell.
John Guy was born 1840 in England, son of John Guy (Caledonina Railway Police Inspector d. 15 October 1872 Wishaw) and (Ellen) Sarah Helen McKenzie.
He married Annabella Robertson Curr 31 December 1861, Dalziel Lanark.Parents William Curr and Mary Blair died 1863.                                                                                                                  William Curr 1871 census living in Carluke with Annabella and sons Henry McKenzie Guy and William Guy. Both children were registered by Curr grandparents.                                                            Annabella applied for poor relief in 1865 as her husband left her.

Annabella, her father and sons travelled to Brisbane in 1877, changed her name to Anna Bailey and  married John Bridges in 1877, (d.1884), had 3 daughters lost 2 and she died in 1891 in Eidsvold Qld. Sons did well in Qld.

Nothing of John Guy till he pays for his mother's burial.
I assumed he must be fairly close and someone told him of Ellen's death. He may have died in England 1896 no proof. His sister Sarah Jane Guy died in 1931. No family member knew where he was, they assumed he went to US.
Lots of secrets in this family.
Thanks
Mandy


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« Reply #420 on: Wednesday 17 September 25 00:38 BST (UK) »
... I have the transcriptions and a list of plot owners for South Dalziel churchyard ...
Hi Lodger! Regarding your above comment, I was wondering if you have seen the surname Leggat or Frew among the plot owners. Dalziel is where some of my ancestors lived and died. And if not in the South Dalziel graveyard, is there any way to find out about the plots in older Dalziel burying ground?
I am also interested in the old Carluke graveyard, especially with respect to my Halliday ancestors, but others too. Do you know if any book of plot owners exists for that?
Thanks in advance,
ard
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« Reply #421 on: Monday 22 September 25 16:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Ard,

No Leggat's in South Dalziel or in the older, Old Manse Burial ground at Dalziel.
One Frew in south Dalziel, Catherine Frew, wife of John Liddell. She died 1865 aged 35 years.

There are a few Leggat's in Cambusnethan cemetery, also in the old burial ground adjoining the cemetery and in the small private burial ground there. Also in the ancient Cambusnethan churchyard at Kirkhill. But, the name Frew is very rarely mentioned in the Cambusnethan registers.
If you give me more information - including women's maiden surnames to match with male Leggat's it would help.

As for Halliday, there are a few in Cambusnethan, some related to my nephews. Carluke monumental inscriptions are in Sheila Scott's "The Upper Ward of Lanarkshire Monumental Inscriptions pre 1855". (A very snappy title). However, she tended to skip post 1855 stones and there is only 1 mention of the name Halliday, it's only a marker stone (to mark their plot) and the inscription is  "Erected by Archibald Hallady & Marion Penman 1829". These were my nephews 6 x gt grandparents.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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« Reply #422 on: Monday 22 September 25 18:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply, Lodger.

So I am related to your nephews then! Archibald Halliday (who m. Marion Penman) was the brother of my 4x great grandfather Robert Halliday 1781-1851 (who m. Margaret Williamson). In some censuses the two families lived very close to one another.

There appear to be more records for Arch' & Marion's children than for Robert's - I've only managed to identify 4 with any certainty, including my 3xgg John (m. Eliz. Dick), Agnes, Thomas (m. Marion Brownlie - they immigrated to Canada but have one child buried at Cambusnethan), and Violet who died fairly young (and possibly the other Robert who also died 1851 but I'm not sure).
So maybe the Halliday grave marker identified in the Old Carluke burial ground belongs to these 2 Halliday families collectively. Archibald died in 1840, 11 years before his brother. In any event,  Robert "Hallowday" was apparently buried in Carluke as was his daughter Violet, so likely others of that family as well, including my John (1804–1853) and at least some of his children.

I've not found siblings for Arch and Robert, both born in Killin, Perth to Thomas Halliday and Anne Campbell... I wonder if your nephew has had better luck!

In the past you shared the Halliday related burials in Cambusnethan (mostly Arch's family group, but a few connected to John's and Elizabeth's children as well. I those have been really helpful!!

You mentioned that 'there are a few Leggat's in Cambusnethan cemetery, also in the old burial ground adjoining the cemetery and in the small private burial ground there. Also in the ancient Cambusnethan churchyard at Kirkhill."

John's daughter Agnes Halliday married James Leggat (1841-1921)  that's where Leggat fits into the picture! Although they migrated to Cumberland, after Agnes died, he returned to  Wishaw where he was born. I don't know where he was buried.
As far as I know his parents James Leggat and Jane Frew both died in Dalziel (in 1880 and 1901 respectively) So I guess those dates are too late for the old burying ground?
James sr. was born around 1816 (possibly Cambusnethan) to yet another James Leggat, a soldier, (variant spellings abound) and Janet Gilchrist. I don't know when or where those two died but I figure Dalziel or even a Cambusnethan area cemeteries are possibilities.  I only have their names because of James (1816-1880)'s death record, so I don't know if he had siblings but I figure I probably did. In short, I'm still very much in the dark about this generation!

BTW I have been able to identify the parents of the Catherine Frew Liddell buried in Dalziel - they were Robert Frew and Mary Hunt... no direct connections to my Frew line... yet!

I suppose there must be quite a few old cemeteries that I know nothing about ... I'm still trying to get a handle on all then names of villages that crop up in my family's records - It's hard to get a sense of it all from across the ocean!!

As always, thanks for your help and also providing an opportunity to share information on the forum!!

ard
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