Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW

[Lodger]

Here is the reverse side of the Lightbody stone, it should be quite readable.

[Lodger]

I will check the 19th century burial records for the Lightbody and Barr families and let you know what I find.

[jamesdon99]

Thanks very much, especially your speed of response, exceptional. They are indeed my 3 and 4 times great grandparents. I assume the children named on the Barr/Dalziel stone are all the ones who died in infancy.
I have Alexander 1842-1846, Janet 1853-1854 and a couple of Davids but no death dates. They had at least 12 children who I have information on.
I am directly related through their eldest son John Barr who married Martha Reid in 1841. They proceeded to have 12 children that I am aware of and I am related through their second child Agnes born 16 Aug 1843 in Cambusnethan.
 Any information on the prolific Barrs would be appreciated. The Barr surname was carried through to my mum's generation where 2 of her sisters had it as a middle name.

[Lodger]

Hi Jamesdon,

I searched the records I have and this is what I found. All dates are of burial. The plot records only begin about 1878 but the gravediggers day books go back to 1861, you will see that there is different information in each type.
You are right about the Barr family - millions of them 

The owners of the Barr plot, in Victorian times were, as you'd expect, David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
There are 13 recorded burials from 1879 but there would probably have been at least double that amount before then. The plot is marked "ground closed" after the 1918 burial, this was because the law forbid the removal of old bones by the gravedigger to make room for new burials. So, in this plot are,
In the South lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 29 years, 19th November 1884.
DAVID BARR, aged 10 years & 6 months, 6th July 1900.
JOHN BARR, aged 7 years, 6th July 1900.
MARGARET BARR, aged 9 weeks, 8th September 1896.

In the Centre lair -
DAVID BARR, aged 17 years, 14th February 1890.
AGNES BARR, aged 89 years, 28th November 1895.
ISABELLA BARR, aged 34 years, 6th October 1897.
CATHERINE STEWART, (no age given, probably an infant) 30th October 1918.

In the North lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 17 years, 31st March 1879.
JANET BARR, aged 2 years & 6 months, 7th June 1879.
AGNES BARR, aged 2 years, 30th November 1880.
DAVID McLEAN, aged 2 years & 6 months, 14th November 1906.
JESSIE BARR, aged 68 years, 8th March 1915.
Ground closed.

From the gravediggers day books -

JESSIE BARR, housewife, Wishaw, aged 68 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Bell & Elizabeth Jardine.
Buried in the old churchyard on 8th March 1915.

DAVID B. McLEAN, Morningside, aged 2 years & 6 months.
Parents - William McLean & Janet Barr.
Old churchyard on 14th November 1906.

JOHN BARR, watchman, Wishaw, aged 55 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 4th June 1878.

AGNES BAILLIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 31 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 22nd November 1869.

MARION BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 5 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th December 1868.

JAMES BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 6 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 9th May 1865.

MARGARET BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 7 weeks.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th February 1865.

Unless I can find the death and parents of James Baillie, husband of Agnes Barr, there is no way of knowing if this family is buried in the Barr plot.

Not so many Lightbodys!

The plot owner, in Victorian times, was Thomas Lightbody.

In the South lair -
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, aged 84 years, 19th July 1880.
W. McLEAN MOFFAT, 14 years, 16th November 1889.

In the North lair -
THOMAS BLACK, aged 69 years, 28th December 1901.

From the gravediggers day books -

JANET LIGHTBODY, housekeeper, Carluke, aged 60 years.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yeatts.
Old churchyard on 3rd March 1868.

ANN YOUNG, Wishaw, aged 69 years, widow.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yates.
Old churchyard on 27th November 1871.

EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, servant, Carluke, aged 84 years, unmarried.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yett.
Old churchyard on 19th July 1880.

I have extracted this Lightbody information before on Rootschat, perhaps Monica or some other knowledgable member can find the link and add it to this post? Looks like someone else is researching this family.

Thats all I can give you at the moment, I am in Paris until the 16th (pause to let Monica roll her eyes)   
 
If you send me names & spouses names for the other children of Thomas & Agnes I will have another search for them.

[jamesdon99]

Lodger

This is wonderful. I'm so grateful. I used to spend summer holidays with my aunts in Airdrie but that was 50 years ago.

I've been reading some of your other threads and came upon the Wellwynd Church graves saga. My mum was a member of the church and I have her bible that she was given when she became a member of the church. I'm sure I have relatives buried there but that's for another time. Mum left Airdrie in 1939 to join the forces. She met dad, an Englishman, and spent the rest of her life in England. It's nice to think of the happy times we spent in Airdrie as kids.

Have a nice time in Paris and I'll try to get the information that you suggested together over the next week or so. 

[jamesdon99]

Hi Lodger
Hope the Paris trip went well. I have put the info I have on the Lightbody/Yetts children. They tended to stay in the North Lanrkshire area around Wishaw, Carnwath, Carluke areas.
Thomas Lighbody and Agnes Yetts had 12 children that I am aware of
ELIZABETH LIGHTBODY
 b.Mar 1788 d. 1 Feb 1870 married William Donald b 1790 d 1843
AGNES LIGHTBODY
b. Aug 1789
JOHN LIGHTBODY
b.1799 d.1866 married Christina Brock in 1821
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY (buried in the Lightbody plot)
b.Nov 1795 d.16 Jul 1880 buried 19 Jul 1880
ROBERT LIGHTBODY
b.1798 d.1887 married Agnes Letham
ALEXANDER LIGHTBODY
b.1801 d.1875 married Isabel Tennant
ANN(e) LIGHTBODY
b.27 Jun 1802 d.24 Nov 1871 married James Young b. 25 Jan 1800 d. 6 Jul 1869
THOMAS LIGHTBODY
b.1 Jul 1804 d. Before 1817
JANET LIGHTBODY
b.6 Apr 1806 d. 29 Feb 1868 married Thomas Black
It is their daughter in law Catherine Maclean who was married to their son Thomas b.1832 d.1901 whose death in1872 is on the back of the Lightbody headstone so I assume she is buried in the plot.
WILLIAM LIGHTBODY
b.15 May 1808 d.7 Jul 1898 married Agnes Witherspoon b. 1812 d.14 Jul 1864
JAMES LIGHTBODY
b.1810 d.?? Married Margaret Douglas
ANDREW LIGHTBODY
b. 1813

I am aware that sometimes women are given maiden names on headstones and sometimes married ones. Was there a time when this changed?
In the Barr plot there are three Agnes Barrs .  Agnes Barr, Agnes Dalziel and Agnes Addie.
In the Lightbody plot Catherine Lightbody is written as Catherine MacLean.
I know from looking at close family’s Scottish records a woman’s maiden surname seems to take priority but is it just family preference on headstones.

Any information on the these ancestors graves would be much appreciated.

[Lodger]

Hi Jamesdon99,

Here's what I found in the Cambusnethan burial records, all dates are of burial.

First of all, there is a monumental inscription for James Young & Ann Lighbody. I don't have a photograph of this stone, it may or may not have survived since it was transcribed back in 1982. I do know the general area and will have a look next time I'm in the burial ground. The information on the stone is as follows -
"James Young died 6th July 1869 aged 69 years. His wife Ann Lightbody died 24th November 1871 aged 69 years. Their daughter Agnes died 20th May 1853 aged 19 years. Their daughter Euphemia died 8th January 1861 aged 21 years. Their daughter Susanna died 8th July 1866 aged 23 years."

Not much in the Plot Boook for that plot. The last registered owners were Gavin Young & Margaret Strachan.
Buried in the South lair are -
JAMES YOUNG, aged 34 years. 6th March 1880.
JAMES YOUNG, aged 72 years. 12th April 1938. South lair now full.

From the gravediggers Day Book -
EUPHEMIA YOUNG, domestic servant, Wishaw, aged 21 years, unmarried.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 10th January 1861.

SUSAN AUCHTERLONIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 23 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 11th July 1866.

JAMES YOUNG, tailor, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 6th March 1880.
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You said that this family had Carluke connections, so I wonder if this is part of the same family?
STILLBORN FEMALE LIGHTBODY, Carluke.
Mother - Mary Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 18th March 1872.
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The only other information I could find was on a child of Robert Lightbody.

From the Day Book -

GRACE PRENTICE, Wishaw, aged 80 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Lightbody & Agnes Letham.
Buried in the old churchyard on 12th November 1913.

There is an MI for the gravestone, details are -
"Erected by Isabella Prentice in memory of her father James Prentice who died 30th May 1849 aged 49 years. Christina Torrence her mother died 5th July 1885 aged 81 years. Isabella Prentice died 6th January 1901 aged 68 years. Their son William died 18th September 1910 aged 76 years. His wife Grace Lightbody died 10th March 1913 aged 80 years and their son Peter Currie Prentice died 11th November 1939 aged 60 years".

According to the Plot book, the last owner was  Christina Torrance.
In the Centre lair -
CHRISTINA PRENTICE, 80 years. 8th August 1885.
ISABELLA PRENTICE, 68 years, 9th January 1901.
PETER CURRIE PRENTICE, 60 years. 14th November 1939. Centre lair now full.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM PRENTICE, 76 years. 20th September 1910.
GRACE PRENTICE, 80 years. 12th November 1913.

That's all I could find. There may be more on the Prentice family but, unless you are descended from this line, the information will be of no use to you.
Here is what's left of the Prentce stone!

[jamesdon99]

Hi Lodger

Once again I can't thank you enough. This information would have taken me years to collect. I'll now be adding it to my tree and see where it leads. 

One last request. You told me that my 2x great grandfather John Barr is buried in the Barr plot 4th June 1878 but his wife Martha Reid who outlived him doesn't seem to be in the plot either as Martha Barr or Reid. She died in 1893 in Glasgow Road Wishaw when the Barr plot was still open. Any ideas?

[Lodger]

Ah, that's because I didn't know about her.
I can only search for married females if I know both surnames.

The entry I already gave you for John Barr is taken from the Day Book, not the plot book.
So, although the entry states "old churchyard", it doesn't mention a particular plot.
Now that I know the name & maiden surname of his wife I was able to do another search.

Here's what I found -
There is another plot and the last registered owners were John Barr & Martha Reid.
(Remember that the plot book records only begins at 1879, so although John will be in it, he isn't mentioned).
In the South lair -
MARTHA BARR, 71 years. 25th April 1893.
REID BARR, 15 months. 29th January 1894.
AGNES STEVENSON, 15 months. 27th August 1891.
In the Centre lair -
MATTHEW BARR, 9 days. 2nd April 1889.
ALEXANDER DALE, 17 hours. 7th April 1902.

There is a monumental inscription for this plot but I don't have a photograph. Back in 1982 when the stones were transcribed this particular one was in very poor condition indeed. The inscription is - "1847 Erected by John Barr and (. . . . . ) Reid in memory of their son (. . . . . )" (rest of stone has sunk below ground).
At least you know that there was a son who died about 1846 or 47.

The adjoining plot was owned by a Robert Reid and the only entry in the plot book is for -
MARY REID, 76 years, 26th June 1911.
The Day Book entry for that burial is -
MARY REID, Glasgow, aged 76 years, widow.
Parents - James Findlay & ? McCallum.
Old churchyard on 26th June 1911.

Back to the Barrs.
The following six entries are from the Day Books and they are all the children of John Barr & Martha Reid. Each one is buried in the old churchyard, so they will be in the Barr plot belonging to their parents.

ANN BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 23rd December 1862.

THOMAS BARR, Wishaw, aged 21 months. 5th August 1864.

STILLBORN FEMALE BARR, Wishaw, 17th April 1866.

JOHN BARR, Wishaw, aged 8 years. 17th November 1866.

MARION BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 29th March 1867.

ALEXANDER MUNRO BARR, Wishaw, aged 13 days. 6th May 1868.

Makes very sad reading.