Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW

[Lodger]

Here is the Douglas & Brounlee stone, it's a "marker" stone, dated for the time it was erected, not for anyone who may have been interred there. The inscription reads -
"1829 The intended burying place for Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brounlee his spouse".
Unfortunately, the only one I know for sure who is buried there (because of lack of written records) is a child

MARY R. MILROY, aged 1 year & 5 months, interred December 30th 1901.

However, I searched through the Day Book records, which supplement the lack of plot records and found the following, I have no way of knowing where in the churchyard these 3 people are buried, they may well be in the Douglas family plot but I can't say for sure.

JOHN DOUGLAS, weaver, Wishaw, aged 62 years, married.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Elizabeth Brownlie.
Interred in the old churchyard on November 20th 1863.

MARY REID, pauper, Wishaw, aged 77 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Elizabeth Brownlie.
Interred in the old churchyard on April 4th 1863.

ROBERT D. REID, mason, Glasgow, aged 43 years, married.
Parents - William Reid & Mary Douglas.
Interred in the old churchyard on January 3rd 1873.

Douglas is a fairly common name in the churchyard, would the surnames Allan, Marchbank or Young be connected do you know?
No sign of any Douglas & McAlpine stone or any evidence of interments with the combination of these 2 surnames. What makes you think they could be buried here?

[Teya]

Interesting inscription re date 1829 as Robert DOUGLAS and Elizabeth BROUNLEE are both alive and well in the 1841 Census, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. Was/is placing 'markers' a common practice?
 
MARY R. MILROY is not familiar to me. Could be one of the Douglas/Brounlee ggrandchildren? My research hasn't extended that far into some of these Douglas lines.

JOHN DOUGLAS, a Cotton Weaver, s/o Robert and Elizabeth Douglas, did die in 1863 in Wishaw.
MARY REID d/o Robert and Elizabeth Douglas I did have her burial site. I assume her husband William b.1786, weaver, is also likely in the cemetery. No exact death date for William as yet.

I realize DOUGLAS is a common name as my gggrandmother Janet DOUGLAS (d/o Robert and Elizabeth B.) was married to James DOUGLAS (s/o Robert Douglas and Mary McAlpine). Mary McAlpine/McAlpen was James mother as she is with him in the 1841 & 1851 Scot. Census. Therefore suspected that James parents Robert Douglas (d.1837) and Mary McAlpine/McAlpen would be in the Cambusnethan Cemetery. I also have a Cemetery number for this Robert Douglas of #111 if that is of any help.

There are ALLANs but not confirmed, a Janet MARCHBANK married to Robert Douglas of Wishaw, s/o John Douglas and Elizabeth YOUNG who you mentioned. John Douglas was the son to Robert and Elizabeth Douglas. Thanks for adding to my Douglas line!

[Lodger]

Can you tell me the source of the information you have on the death of Robert Douglas who died 1837?  The number 111 makes no sense to me at all, where did you find this?
Cambusnethan has no burial records before 1861, except the monumental inscriptions and a few mortcloths, which are found in the account book of the old parish records. Where in the parish did they live?

[Teya]

This was correspondence I had in 2008. According to the Cambusnethan Cemetery #111, a Rogert Douglas, age 59, died Sept. 4, 1837. Is this a plot #? Robert Douglas of Elizabeth Brounlee, the headstone/marker was given a plot # 189/1. Does that sound familiar? All in Cambusnethan as far as I can tell.

[Lodger]

Now it makes sense!

189 is the entry in the book of monumental transcriptions in Cambusnethan churchyard (not Cambusnethan cemetery).

111 is an entry in the same book (compiled by me in 1982).

The transcription for 111 is
"Robert Douglas died 4th September 1837 aged 59 years. Stone erected by his son James".

There is no mention of the name McApline, so you cannot be sure that this is the family you are looking for.  I do not have a picture of this stone, it was certainly there in 1982 but, after 40 years, it may have weathered too much to be readable or, it could have been vandalised. If the weather permits tomorrow, I will go and have a look for it.

[Lodger]

Can we go back to Mary, daughter of Robert and Elizabeth?
You say she was married to William Reid. Did they have a daughter Mary Ann who married William Hodge?

[Teya]

Yes indeed!

[Lodger]

OK, I should answer your original question regarding the marker stone. Yes, it was very common to erect a stone to mark the family plot. There were many, many disputes over who owned what ground, so parishioners (all over the country) were advised to "mark their spots".

I have a monumental inscription for the Hodge plot but no picture of the stone, I will check tomorrow, it should be still there but perhaps it's in bits, it was an obelisk. The transcription was done in 1982, on my old Remington typewriter, so (after advice from the Scottish Genealogy Society) the text was put into order of - husband - wife - children - etc and all relationships are to the first name on the stone but the inscription on the actual stone may be in a different order.

"Obelisk. William Hodge died 10th February 1910 aged 84 years. His wife Mary Ann Reid died 13th February 1899 aged 72 years. Their son William died 3rd January 1866 aged 2 years. Their daughter Mary died 10th December 1871 aged 24 years. Their daughter Maggie died 10th July 1876 aged 23 years. Their daughter Elizabeth died 21st September 1883 aged 32 years. Their daughter Jeanie died 25th February 1895."

From the gravediggers Day Book, the above Mary aged 24 years was a teacher, interred 13th December 1871. The above Maggie (Margaret in the Day Book) aged 23 years, was a school mistress, her abode was given as Falkirk, interred 18th July 1876. William was aged 2 years & 6 months, interred 5th January 1866.

From the Plot Book for the old churchyard (This book only begins from around 1876).
all dates are of interment.

Owners of the above plot were William Hodge & Mary Ann Reid.
Interred in the centre compartment -
MARY HODGE, aged 72 years, 16th February 1899.
WILLIAM HODGE, aged 85 years, 12th February 1910.
Interred in the north compartment -
ELIZABETH HODGE, aged 32 years, 24th September 1883.
JEANIE HODGE, aged 37 years, 28th February 1895.

From the records of the municipal cemetery (adjacent to the churchyard).

Plot C476.

MARY ANN R. KERR, Wishaw, aged 19 months.
Parents - William Kerr & Robina R. Hodge.
Interred 17th February 1886.

ROBINA R. KERR, housewife, Wishaw, aged 29 years, married.
Parents - William Hodge & Mary Ann Reid.
Interred 2nd December 1886.

ARCHIBALD KERR, Wishaw, aged 15 months.
Parents - William Kerr & Robina R. Hodge.
Interred 10th March 1888.

[Lodger]

Five more interments extracted from the Day Books of Cambusnethan cemetery.
(These books began in 1861 and were used by the cemetery staff to record burials in the new cemetery which opened in 1861 and for burials from that date in the adjoining old churchyard).

ELIZABETH DOUGLAS, Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Janet Marchbank.
Interred in the old churchyard, 21st October 1861.

ROBERT DOUGLAS, baker, Wishaw, aged 35 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 17th December 1861.

CHRISTINA DOUGLAS, housewife, Glasgow, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 31st December 1877.

AGNES HARRISON, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 27th July 1878.

This last one is perhaps one of yours?

ELIZABETH ALLAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 41 years, married.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Agnes Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 7th February 1872.