Cain/e family Yarmouth and freshwater IoW

[Happywanderer]

John Ernest Cain born about 1882 maybe Liverpool married Ada May Thompson 25 March 1905 on the island they had 6 children Ivy Gladys May born 1907 Reginald William John born1908 (known as Cano)killed in a shooting accident 1946 Harold Edward Ernest born 1909 Doris Lillian Charlotte born 1910 all born on Ioo in 1912 Lily Victoria Maud was born in Southampton and in 1915 John H c born in south Stoneham. On 1911 census John Ernest and family were shop keepers in Quay Street Yarmouth (would like to know what kind of shop) John Ernest died in South Stoneham 1917. Ada put the children in a home in we think the Southampton area and remarried in 1919 to George Wadham they had two daughters. Ada died in 1965 and is buried in Freshwater. Would like to hear from anyone who is researching the family or knows what happened to Ivy or Harold. Thanks

[crisane]

There is a death reg Aug 2000 for an Ivy Gladys Cain 20 Sept 1909 age 90. Southend on Sea Essex
This makes her born 2009 not 2007 but the info is only as good as the informant thought or was led to believe.
I checked on freeBMD and though there are quite a few Ivy Cain births reg around 1905 - 1909 none with the second name Gladys and none in the Yarmouth district. However ancestry has her christening record for the 19 March 1907 at Yarmouth with a birthdate of 22 Feb.

[crisane]

Death reg Harold E E Cain age 13 June 1/4 1923 Chertsey Surrey Vol 2a page 81

[Happywanderer]

Thank you

Not sure about Ivy's death although I know she was the eldest and born in 1907. I had seen the Harold death before but cannot work out how he died in Surrey age 13 when they were in a home in Southend. Are they in your tree?

Kind regards and thank you again for you help

[crisane]

I wouldn't worry too much about the 2 years that have been knocked off Ivy's age on the death reg. She may have done it at some time for whatever reason, or the informant took a guess. The death cert would be interesting in that it would give the informant. The same with the one for Harold E E.  He may have been placed in employment with someone by the workhouse.
This site has records for the workhouse at Southampton. You could ask them for a lookup for the Cain(e) children http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Southampton/#Records

No this family are not in my tree, I just thought I would see what I could find.

[Happywanderer]

Hi I've looked up the workhouses no luck what I am wondering were there any catholic children's homes around the area?
 Will have to get the death certificates for Ivy and Harold. I am looking into hospitals or hospice's in Chertsey as the family suffered from asthma this could be a link to Harold's death being registered there.
My problem is John Ernest their father trying to trace his origins I have his death certificate and his marriage certificate unfortunately his father is listed as John Cain not exactly an unusual name.

Thank you again for your help

[crisane]

Hi
What occupation is given for John's father on his marriage cert to Ada? It may just help sort out the possibles. Unfortunately there are no birth registrations for a John Ernest or a John E Cain(e) on FreeBMD.  I wonder if John just used it on his marriage cert. He didn't use it on the 1911 or the full names for his children.

[Happywanderer]

The problem is he didn't use Ernest or e on most things and to make things worse half the time they spell Cain with an e as well so it's double checking on all.
His father on the marriage certificate is listed as deceased stage manager he couldn't have a unusual name like Ada's father Meshech no problems there!
Even on the marriage certificate Ada is listed as May Thompson and John's profession domestic butler in St James Street Yarmouth.

[Paul Clark]

Hello, I too have Wadham ancestors from the IOW, Hampshire and Dorset. Not that George unfortunately. Freshwater, Calbourne and Shalfleet are areas they lived, before my th grandfather Alexander ended up in the North East.