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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 16:23 BST (UK) »
Jorose - your thoughts definitely are worth following up, thank you for the leads. 

Freckles - there may also be something similar in my case.  Francis Birchall was a solicitor aged 45 ish when he married Ada who was 18 ish in 1889.  After generations of ag labs (and a father with a criminal record) perhaps this was a way of adding value like your Carew.

Obviously some work to do.  If the connection turns out to be Ada and the Birchalls, I'll have to work out why Ada's mother took up the Edgcumbe name also.

Never mind, it's Wimbledon so my lady wife is quite happy for me to disappear among the records.  I'll work of the clues.  Thanks again.
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 16:37 BST (UK) »
there is also a death reg

Francis Cyril E Birchall
born 10 May 1893
death reg Mar qtr 1978
age 84
Bournemouth 23 0444


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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 16:50 BST (UK) »
Ada married as Ada Edgcumbe

Marriage St barnabus N Side Surrey
18 Feb 1903
herbert William Buckley 30 bachelor Civil Servant 113 Sugden Rd father William Thomas Buckley occ Agent
Ada Edgcumbe Birchall 30 widow Overden Nevis Rd Balham father Joseph Dobell (deceased) occ Gentleman

Witnesses Georgina Agnes Birchall
William Chatting

 

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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi,  Just a point about Edgcumbe, it is a small place in Cornwall.  Maybe someone in the family came from there.  There is also a place called
Edgcumbe in New Zealand in the Bay of Plenty, and there is also a volcano
called Mount Edgcumbe.  Maybe it has something to do with a geography
point and not someone who they married??
Just a thought

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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 17:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you Suzard , useful clues - it's beginning to take shape now but, as said, a lot to do to make it all hang together.
Thanks also Sandymc.  The Doubles were Suffolk and then Essex and London. 

I'll plod on!
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 23 June 11 17:46 BST (UK) »
Definitely some little white lies going on at that second marriage, both with her age and the fact that she wasn't a widow as her first husband didn't die, as far as I can tell, until 1916 (possibly the divorce hadn't fully gone through yet at that point). She has her stepdaughter Georgina as a witness, too.  ::)

Interesting that both the 1903 marriage and the 1918 marriage of her son make the surname "Dobell" rather than Double. Perhaps this change was for the same reason as the addition of "Edgcumbe".
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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 23 June 11 19:58 BST (UK) »
I too am beginning to smell a rat or two.  I had noticed the widow bit (his death is 99% the one in 1916 given his many first names) and she describes father as occupation gentlemen - he died in 1885 and as late as 1881 was plying his trade as a baker.  There must be something strange going on also with the fact that the Edgumbe/Edgcombe bit does seem to be associated with Ada Double/Birchall/Buckley so what is her mother doing with it also?  It doesn't help but I've found Charles Francis B Birchall's will, £19 to a spinster that is probably his sister and also his first wife's will.  The presumed son, Francis Cyril E Birchall seems to have gone to Canada, he was married in Toronto in 1918, is on an incoming passenger list from Quebec in 1926  and died in Bournemouth in 1978 as Suzard found.  It may be that if any of his family are around, something may surface there.  Meanwhile, as I've said, I'm now waiting for Ada's (first) marriage cert to see what it says.  I'm sure the answer lies somewhere in her marriage/connection to Charles FBB.  Thanks for your interest everyone.
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 23 June 11 21:10 BST (UK) »
Do let us know what info the certificate has

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Re: Baffled - any ideas/wild guesses/sensible theories?,
« Reply #17 on: Friday 24 June 11 09:00 BST (UK) »
Will do!

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia