Grandfather - Yet another dead end.

[Alreetkidda]

Thanks for the reply

I have been looking into the William living in Blackhill. There are possibilities and also problems.

The thing that makes it interesting is that my mother said that a “Nora” married a Bill Milburn. Not sure who Nora was – it was possible that Norman was Nora but got mixed up but I am sure she said there was 2 boys and one girl (Lizzie)

The part that throws things is where Mary Hannah married a Robert.

Quote “William Taylor Marley born 1904 & death 1905 Lanchester Durham (FreeBMD)”
I think I need to see who the father was for this child.

[katherinem]

Thanks for the reply

I have been looking into the William living in Blackhill. There are possibilities and also problems.

The thing that makes it interesting is that my mother said that a “Nora” married a Bill Milburn. Not sure who Nora was – it was possible that Norman was Nora but got mixed up but I am sure she said there was 2 boys and one girl (Lizzie)

Nora is short for Leonora, who did indeed marry William Milburn in 1924, see reply above :-)

[Ladyhawk]

Quote “William Taylor Marley born 1904 & death 1905 Lanchester Durham (FreeBMD)”
I think I need to see who the father was for this child.

It would be interesting to see who the father was for the child but costly if he's not related!

On marriage 1921 entry they don’t give William's middle name as Taylor just the initial 'T'

A daft question maybe but was the middle name Taylor given on the birth certificate of one of his children?

Rosiemagic gave this birth entry but surname is MORLEY – I can’t see any other on FreeBMD with middle name of Taylor apart from the child born 1904 died 1905 

William TAYLOR Morley
Mar 1883 Tynemouth vol 10b page 215

Is this the death entry for your William ?

Mar 1955 Durham C vol 1a page 305
William T Marley  age 74 (1881)

I’m not sure if they give an actual birth date on a death certificate? If they do that may help locate the correct birth entry on FreeBMD.

"a death certificate shows where and when the deceased died, name and surname, sex, age (or d.o.b.), occupation (or last occupation if retired) and address, and cause of death, along with the signature, description and address of the person giving information etc..."

As there’s no father named on his 2nd marriage cert. very difficult to pinpoint him with any certainty on any census 

As you are pretty certain a child from his first marriage was named Lizzy (Elizabeth)
perhaps that may be a clue - she may have been named after his wife or their mother.

Don't give up     

[Alreetkidda]

I never did give up. 

I have finally re-opened the mystery and now have the answers. Much of which that was suggested here has proved to be correct.  So, this is the correct information.


William John Taylor Marley was born on the 9th July 1881 in Sunderland, Bishopwearmouth then classed as being part of Durham. This would be the person suggested by rosiemagic. As with the marriage certificate, there is no father named. His mother was Sarah Marley born 1857 in Sunderland. Her parents I believe were Richard Marley and Sarah Wilson.
His birth certificate states his mothers name only as Sarah Marley, but I believe that she may be the same person who appears as Sarah W (Wilson) Marley, but, that is another story.

Sharon was correct with the following:

There is a William Marley in 1901 living at 152 Leadgate. St Ives,  Sunderland Durham.

Frank Marley Head 34 coal miner born Sunderland.
Matilda Marley Wife 32 (cannot make out pob)
Caroline Marley dau 6 born Sunderland
William Marley Nephew 20 coal miner born Sunderland

As Kath suggested, the 1911 Census showed the following:

19 Waltons Row, Blackhill, Durham
William Marley, 29 (1882), Coal miner, Sunderland
Mary Hannah Marley, 27 (1884), Blackhill
Leonora Marley, 4 (1907), Blaydon
Norman Marley, 2 (1909), Chopwell
and later they had another son named as Willie Marley.

I believe that his wife, Mary Hannah Marley to be Mary Hannah Sayers. She interestingly had siblings named Leonora, Norman and Willie. As Kath also stated, there is a death registered in 1920 for a Mary H Marley.  Norman and Willie are the ones that died in London. Willie has the same birthday as mine although he is a bit older 
As with Kath, I have not found a marriage between them, but only the one for a Robert William Marley and Mary Hannah Sayer in 1902.

Thanks to all that have contributed and to Ladyhawk for going through all of the posts and condensing it into something readable and concise.   

[silvery]

It's only taken you 7-8 years!!   Well done.        It's very satisfying when you finally unravel the story.     

 (I had marked this thread for notifications as it was so interesting.   Quite surprised to get one today after all these years.)

[Ladyhawk]

I never did give up. 

I have finally re-opened the mystery and now have the answers. Much of which that was suggested here has proved to be correct.  So, this is the correct information.

William John Taylor Marley was born on the 9th July 1881 in Sunderland, Bishopwearmouth then classed as being part of Durham.

As with the marriage certificate, there is no father named.
His mother was Sarah Marley born 1857 in Sunderland.
Her parents I believe were Richard Marley and Sarah Wilson.

His birth certificate states his mothers name only as Sarah Marley, but I believe that she may be the same person who appears as Sarah W (Wilson) Marley, but, that is another story.

Great news that you have finally got the answer - well done 
out of curiosity what address was given on his 1881 b/c and who was the informant at his birth?

You may already have done so, now you have an actual birth date you should be able to find William
on the 1939 register......or try the address given at his death

As Kath suggested, the 1911 Census showed the following:

19 Waltons Row, Blackhill, Durham
William Marley, 29 (1882), Coal miner, Sunderland
Mary Hannah Marley, 27 (1884), Blackhill
Leonora Marley, 4 (1907), Blaydon
Norman Marley, 2 (1909), Chopwell
and later they had another son named as Willie Marley.

I believe that his wife, Mary Hannah Marley to be Mary Hannah Sayers.

She interestingly had siblings named Leonora, Norman and Willie. As Kath also stated, there is a death registered in 1920 for a Mary H Marley.  Norman and Willie are the ones that died in London. Willie has the same birthday as mine although he is a bit older 

As with Kath, I have not found a marriage between them, but only the one for a Robert William Marley and Mary Hannah Sayer in 1902.

Says married 9 years (1902) - the same as you both that is the only marriage I could find

Have you seen this from Find a Grave
 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186814151/william-john_taylor-marley
William John Taylor Marley
death place Brancepeth, Durham Unitary Authority, County Durham
burial Ushaw Moor, Durham Unitary Authority, County Durham
spouse May Annie Marley - also buried Ushaw Moor

he died aged 74 at 79 Pringle Place, New Brancepeth and buried 26 January 1955
she died aged 64 at 79 Pringle Place, New Brancepeth and buried 31 March 1953

and it looks as if his married daughter Leonora MARLEY (her mmn SAYERS) was also buried Ushaw Moor - her address same street but a different number - may just be a coincidence that they are living on the same street 

Leonora MILBURN wife of William - died aged 52 at 77 Pringle Place, New Brancepeth and buried 12 September 1958
William died aged 74 at 77 Pringle Place, New Brancepeth and buried 10 December 1964
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186776136/leonora-milburn

His son Ronald MARLEY (his mmn BACKLER) also buried at Ushaw Moor
address 85 Pringle Place, New Brancepeth and buried 10 August 1967
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/186709091/ronald-marley

Couldn't find anything for his married daughter Hetty Marley (mmn BACKLER) other than her death entry giving dob

Hetty BELLAMY Death Age: 58 Birth 11 Oct 1924
Sep 1983 Lancaster Volume:   40 Page:   1599

[barryd]

I use Durham Records Online nearly every day. There are 305 pages of the Marley name. No luck

You searched for:
Last Name = William Taylor Marley, in all districts...searched in Baptisms...1841 Census...1851 Census...1861 Census...1871 Census...1881 Census...1891 Census...1901 Census...1911 Census...Marriages...Burials...Cemetery Registers...Vestry Minutes...Marriage Bonds...Monuments...Marriage Banns...Confirmations...
Sorry, no matching records found. Please check the following points and search again:

[barryd]

"There is a William Marley in 1901 living at 152 Leadgate. St Ives,  Sunderland Durham".

But I thought that St. Ives, was down Consett way? Last time I was there St. Ives Church was in Iveston.

And more importantly are the Thought Police trying to suggest that Sunderland is NOT in County Durham. And the tram cars do not have shop at Binns on them. And add to my fine for feeding the seagulls.

[Alreetkidda]

Yes silvery. It was a long journey but it shows that if you have the interest, then never give up. I have a friend in Indonesia and she said people there are not that interested in their family tree. Such a shame I think.

Ladyhawk - The address on his birth certificate is 72 Tweed Street, Sunderland. The only significant find that I found for Tweed Street was for Martin H Davison, 8 years, 73, Tweed Street who was killed at Victoria Hall, Sunderland on Saturday 16th June 1883 by which 183 children lost their lives. The only Marley on the list being Marley, John, 5 years, 7, Tees Street.

For those who do not know the tragic story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Hall_stampede

and
https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/media/6964/5-Victoria-Hall-Disaster/pdf/5_Victoria_Hall_disaster.pdf?m=634783986030100000

List of the children killed:

http://www.lostancestors.eu/memwar/S/Sunderland.htm

The 1939 register shows him at 79, Pringle Place, New Brancepeth where both he and Mary Annie his wife died and my mam Freda was born. It also shows my mams sister Hetty and brother Ron who was a Japanese prisoner of war and bared the scars inflicted by bayonets where they had sliced his legs open.

Yes - I have seen the results from Find a Grave. I was there only 2 days ago. Unfortunately, they have no headstone and there appears to be no records of plot numbers on a map, but, I need to ask a cousin as she may know.

Yes Nora - Lenora Milburn - my mams oldest sister and her husband William are also buried there.

Hetty died whilst on holiday at Morcambe on the 26th July 1983 and hence why Lancaster shows up. She married Fredrick Bellamy. They are buried at Meadowfield Cemetery, Durham.

Thanks for your searches Barry. Help is always appreciated.  Yes, there is a church at Leadgate known as St. Ives and that was the name of the parish. St Ives church is on St Ives road which runs from the crossroads in the middle of Leadgate heading up to where Eden Colliery was situated.

From 1293 to 1974 Sunderland was part of Durham until it became part of Tyne and Wear. The photograph that I took at Beamish museum has a tram with Binns on it.