Grandfather - Yet another dead end.

[Alreetkidda]

@ Ladyhawk

Not sure what to make of the entry she didn't marry William Taylor MARLEY until 1921 and her maiden name was BACKLER

I missed replying to her maiden name. I have 5 generations in my tree of her ancestors. I missed it out on my initial post as I did not think it would help tie in with William Marley.  Thank you.

[Ladyhawk]

Possible first marriage:
MARRIAGE 1: Sep Qtr 1911, Darlington 10a, pg 9
William T MARLEY
Frances M A HOBSON

If you think this might be his first marriage it may be worth considering
finding out if there's a father's name mentioned for William on this marriage certificate

Frank Marley Head 34 coal miner born Sunderland.
Matilda Marley Wife 32 (cannot make out pob)
Caroline Marley dau 6 born Sunderland
William Marley Nephew 20 coal miner born Sunderland

It looks as if this Frank had three sisters
Elizabeth born 1855, Sarah born 1857 & Jane born 1859
as there's no father name on his marriage certificate perhaps one these girls is his mother

Frank also has two brothers Richard 1853 & Arthur 1862 their parents
Richard 1825 & Sarah b1826

If only his middle name 'Taylor' had been used on the censuses it would make it easier to find him - Is it possible that was his fathers surname ? Or if his mother married TAYLOR could be her maiden name 

[Alreetkidda]

If you think this might be his first marriage it may be worth considering
finding out if there's a father's name mentioned for William on this marriage certificate

Do you think the registry office for Darlington would give that information over the phone?

It looks as if this Frank had three sisters
Elizabeth born 1855, Sarah born 1857 & Jane born 1859
as there's no father name on his marriage certificate perhaps one these girls is his mother

Frank also has two brothers Richard 1853 & Arthur 1862 their parents
Richard 1825 & Sarah b1826

When I was doing some research today, I noticed that Arthur died when he was 22 and that would make him old enough to be Williams father and maybe why William was residing with Frank?

If only his middle name 'Taylor' had been used on the censuses it would make it easier to find him - Is it possible that was his fathers surname ? Or if his mother married TAYLOR could be her maiden name 

If only.  Yes, the name Taylor would suggest it has been handed down from a surname in the family.

[Colin Cruddace]

Although the marriage was registered in the Darlington District it does not appear in the online search facilities for Darlington Registrar,s certificates. The certificate will most likely be held at Bishop Auckland and I have usually found the staff very helpful, but can only answer a specific question with a yes or no, on the understanding that you purchase it, if it is the correct certificate.

Colin

[Alreetkidda]

Digging up the past... 

It's hard work but my mam said her father William Taylor Marley - 1881 - 1955 had 3 children to his first wife. I don't know nothing about her. The children are obviously older than my mother (1931) and were called Lizzie, Billy & Norman. Now the thing is, they all lived in London. So maybe he was from there? Although mam does not recall him sounding like he was not from the North East. Maybe his ex wife did not die? Mam knows Lizzie married but does not know her married name. She said she was looking at a wedding photo of Billy this morning. I guess that was not strictly true. 

[Ladyhawk]

Digging up the past... 

It's hard work but my mam said her father William Taylor Marley - 1881 - 1955 had 3 children to his first wife. I don't know nothing about her. The children are obviously older than my mother (1931)

Hi

As your original post was 2011 a recap & some questions, this is info. so far re WTM from his marriage cert.

William Taylor Marley age 39 occ Coal Miner married 6th July 1921 - no father named
Mary Ann Ebdy age 32 nee Backler, both widowed residing at New Elvet in Durham

a possiblity given for William on 1901c 152 Leadgate St Ives, Sunderland Durham.

Frank Marley Head 34 coal miner born Sunderland.
Matilda Marley Wife 32 (cannot make out pob)
Caroline Marley dau 6 born Sunderland
William Marley Nephew 20 coal miner born Sunderland

William Marley died 1955

Have you had any luck finding William on 1911 census?

Are you still trying to find William Taylor Marley’s first wife?

Were the children of WTM born in the order named and does your mother have any idea of their ages?

If it’s after Sept 1911 mother’s maiden name is shown on FreeBMD, not naming your mother
or her siblings there are three Marley children born between
1923 – 1931 Durham mmn BACKLER

In theory the other 3 children born to WTM should be on FreeBMD with their mmn. If we have an idea of their ages maybe they can be located on FreeBMD then hopefully that will lead us to WTM first marriage.

Could this be the birth of his son from his first marriage?

William Taylor Marley born 1904 & death 1905 Lanchester Durham (FreeBMD)

Unfortunately I think the way to check who his parents are is to obtain the birth certificate
you get the full references details from http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

There's a Marley child with the same name as your mother
(I think) will send details via PM, it may just be a coincidence but a possible sibling of William Taylor Marley 

[Alreetkidda]

Thank you for the reply and update. 

I have not been able to trace William Taylor Marley in the 1911 Census as yet. I have 2 people that have information on his father on the Ancestry website that have family connections for William but both have different parents. I could flip a coin for either set. I can't get back on right now as my membership has elapsed to view records/trees etc.

I would certainly like to find his first wife etc. It may have been easier if I knew that he had 3 children to her. Sorry about that. My mam can tell me an address of somebody but does not remember if her father had brothers or sisters and does not remember anything about any grandparents either. 

I need to ask her again to see if she can remember ages of the first 3 step brothers & sister. I have replied to your message, so you have further confirmation of your findings.

Coincidence on that child maybe? It is surprising how many times I have found what would not be common names that match to people in my tree in similar years but are not connected. Lanchester parish covered a wide area which does not help either.

Struggling with finances at the moment (again ) so reluctant to pay out on birth certificates but it may be a necessity soon if I am to progress any further. It is strange with no father on his wedding cert. I don't think there will be anything of use on his death certificate or I would purchase a copy of that for my grandfather.

Thank you.

[katherinem]

A bit of a long shot, but I think worth mentioning to either prove/disprove.  There is this 1911 census entry:

19 Waltons Row, Blackhill, Durham
William Marley, 29 (1882), Coal miner, Sunderland
Mary Hannah Marley, 27 (1884), Blackhill
Leonora Marley, 4 (1907), Blaydon
Norman Marley, 2 (1909), Chapwell

Interestingly there is a death registered in 1920 (Durham dist) for a Mary H Marley (year of birth 1884)

Also the son Norman fits with your possible siblings, there is a death for a Norman Marley born 1909 in Wimbledon in 1997 - of course this could be pure coincidence.

The only marriage I can find that fits is in 1902 between Robert William Marley and Mary Hannah Sayer, so the first name Robert not looking good but...

This couple go on to have the following children:

Florence M born 1913 died 1915
John 1915
Willie 1918
Hilda 1920 - died 1920

There is a Willie Marley death registered in Hackney, London in 1975 (birth date 17 May 1918).

I know apart from Norman, the children don't fit, but Willie (sounds like Billy).

Kath

[katherinem]

There is a possible death for John born 1915 in 1917, so that would leave 3 surviving children:

Leonora Marley born 1907, married William Milburn 1924, died 1958 Durham
Norman Marley born 1909
Willie Marley born 1918

Digging up the past... 

Could this be the birth of his son from his first marriage?

William Taylor Marley born 1904 & death 1905 Lanchester Durham (FreeBMD)

The 1911 Census with William and Mary Hannah states that one child has died.
Kath