Charles Collins of Chesham

[inept]

That's a good point.

Rosa Lacey, born 1852, is buried with her mother Sarah Collins, in the St Kilda cemetery, but with no headstone.

And perhaps the first-born Thomas, who died pre 1851, was indeed Thomas Lacey. 

Further down the line, Lacey appears several times, as you can by clicking on the Tree tab at

http://www.family-trees.com.au/genealogy/individual.php?pid=I14091&ged=Family%20Tree.ged

You have been of great assistance, thank you!

inept

[keyboard86]

That's a good point.

Rosa Lacey, born 1852, is buried with her mother Sarah Collins, in the St Kilda cemetery, but with no headstone.

And perhaps the first-born Thomas, who died pre 1851, was indeed Thomas Lacey. 

Further down the line, Lacey appears several times, as you can by clicking on the Tree tab at

http://www.family-trees.com.au/genealogy/individual.php?pid=I14091&ged=Family%20Tree.ged

You have been of great assistance, thank you!

inept

Hi inept, I have clicked on the above link and Thomas b 1817 is shown dying in VIC in 1867? I thought Sarah went alone with the children, again I ask when/where was Rosa Lacey Collins born in 1852,and as Charles Collins is the main point of this post how sure are you that the Charles I located in 1841/51 is him, without a sighting of his birth certificate for at least his mother's maiden name?
Keyboard86

[inept]

Hello keyboard86

A lot has been discovered today.  Early this morning (AEST) there were no Collins on our tree.  You have seen our progress.

The St Kilda East cemetery "sighting" of the shared grave is from Sandra Lacey Daly, nee Collins.

Rosa was two years old when she disembarked at "Port Philip" in 1854 .  Her sister Mary tragically died within a year.

The "sighting" of Thomas in Victoria came from a Mrs Saunders.  She is a relative of Emma (b 1839 at Amersham) who married Charles Collins in Victoria.  Charles went on to be a merchant at Walhalla, a gold-rush town in the mountains of eastern Victoria.  They are both buried there.  I lived in Walhalla briefly whilst a construction engineer on a large dam project in the 1970s - the last dam built in Victoria.

The country is so steep and the soil so shallow that hundreds are reputed to have been buried near vertically in their mountain-side graves.  One Sunday we had a charity cricket match between the Melbourne Cricket Club and "Walhalla United" at the tiny cricket ground on the top of the ridge.  (It's on Google Maps).  They arrived, already merry, on a red London double-decker bus.  We fought hard for two hours to be all out 98.  MCC overtook us with just three overs of sixes!  The party, which had commenced when they left Melbourne, resumed.

Mrs Saunders has a 1927 tale in a family bible detailing the arrival, on separate ships, of Thomas, then Sarah and their 9 (of 10) children in Victoria.  This I hope to transcribe and add to our web-tree.  Sandra will next week obtain birth and death certificates.  She talks of commissioning a headstone.

There is a fascinating story still to come, concerning the child-bride Sarah, and a wild visit to London with young Thomas.  Mrs Saunders' bible records that when first child Thomas turned one, the sum of his and his parents' ages was 30!  Sadly he died aged 13.

Intertwined friends with the Collins and Saunders in England were a Jagger, a Darvell and an Edward Jackson.  Her bible will reveal the details.

You may be able to help further with this:  you thought Thomas Sr was a Straw Plaiter.   The bible records his business as dealing in threads and "plaitlet" for hats and bonnets: a Plait Merchant, perhaps?  Does this suggest to you a different Occupation transcription of the Census collector?

Your assistance has been invaluable.  Thank you!

inept

[keyboard86]

Hi the Sarah Lacey married a Thomas Collins 1st February 1833 in St Sepulchre, in London?, have you not obtained any of the childrens birth certificates to confirm Sarah's maiden name?

The possibles in Bucks are a Sarah Harris or a Sarah Groves, but only a birth cert of one of the later siblings will confirm yey or ney!

As Thomas was alive in 1851 the deaths in Buckinghamshire ( If that is where he died ) are both in March 1852 Berkhampstead and Wycombe, or possibly Dec qtr 1854 Wycombe.

Keyboard86

 
Hi again, what a tale! If the above Sarah Lacey marriage is correct I still wonder why only the last born had a middle name of Lacey? and also where she was born?
On the 1841 for Thomas there is a word after Straw Platt? That I could not work out, maybe someone could have a scan at original?
Keyboard86

[inept]

Re Rosa's birth place, for now we simply say England.  I expect it may be Luton, but we'll wait and see.  On the boat she was simply Rosa.  The Cemetery record is Rosa Lacey.  We will have to wait and see.

Yes, I enlarged and printed 1841 yesterday, but to no avail.  I had hoped your local knowledge may have helped decipher it.

Mrs Saunders' bible may assist.

inept

[inept]

Reviewing yesterday's entries, I tried to find "Bye, Bucks" on Google Maps.  No luck.  Any local knowledge on that one, please?  (John Collins' birth place.)

[keyboard86]

Hi no luck with Bye in Bucks, may be worth your while starting new thread with the only requirement being "Where is this place in Bucks" and quoting either census ref or census year?

Birth June 1852 Luton 3b 409 Rose Collins no sign of death or census 1861
in Bedfordshire
Keyboard86

[inept]

Hi Keyboard86

Tree updated; won't trouble the experts with Bye.  Bucks is OK.

Next task is to pin down Thomas's father and mother.  The bible tale started with our Thomas.

Thanks again

inept

[inept]

Thanks principally to keyboard86,

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