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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 00:05 BST (UK) »
If I might add in  here  that if you are able to, purcahse the death certificate of Jordan Pearson,  that just might tell you  if Frederick Leslie was his child.

It is quite possible  the birth was not recorded or it could have been recorded incorrectly, it does happen.

You can  allways ask  the Victoria BDM's to do a search for you say 5 years before and after  the alleged birth,  they will charge you for this  though   


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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 07:38 BST (UK) »
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This marriage may be of interest ...

Emily Conway = Jordan Pearson  it is registered in Victoria in 1887.  The ref no. is 5448 

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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 07:44 BST (UK) »
This marriage may also be of interest

Emma Moyle = Kong Wye  (ie Conway)
Registered 1878, Victoria, Ref 5163.

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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 08:17 BST (UK) »
Hi JM,
I think the linked thread provided by JENN earlier in this topic did take us through some of  the CONWAY documentation ;D

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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 09:50 BST (UK) »
Oh dear,

Many thanks Sue. 

I am sorry Jenn,  I had read that thread, I do apologise, I must have been skimming ...  ::) ...  Please put it down to a senior moment on my part.

Again, I am so sorry Jenn for my senior moment.  :'(

I agree with Jenn

Seems there are some pennies to be spent on that Jordan Pearson certificate...

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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 21 June 11 09:54 BST (UK) »
Please JM

there is no need  to be apologising to me,  we all do it from  time to time, I certainly was not concerned.

Yogi,  if you have Emily Pearson's death certificate, can you tell us  where she is buried?

I cannot locate a grave for Jordon Pearson, I found his second wife but he doesn't appear to be buried with her ( I could be wrong)  and wondered if he is buried with Emily?

I would like to find his death date to see if  there is a funeral or death notice that might mention his children.

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CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 01:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you once again....I have these certificates. Details as follow....

Marriage of Jordan PEARSON and Emily CONWAY 1887 Fitzroy. Emily CONWAY Widow husband deceased 1886. (no given name for late husband.) 1 CHILD DECEASED.

Death of Emily PEARSON aged 39 years. 31 March 1902. (Inquest held) Married to Jordan PEARSON. Buried Brighton Cemetery. "NO ISSUE"

Death of Jordan PEARSON 11 October 1952. aged 89 years.
Buried at Brighton Cemetery 13 October 1952.

Married to Ethel Orames at age 38 years. ''ISSUE" Raymond William Orames.

I hope this is  of some help

Thank you  Yogi.


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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 22 June 11 03:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Yogi,

If your interest is in Emily Moyle/Conway/Pearson,  then perhaps there's information on the m.c. most recently mentioned here :

Emma Moyle = Kong Wye (ie Conway)
Registered 1878, Victoria, Ref 5163.

I am aware that "Emma" and "Emily" have at times been interchangeable names, particularly in my own 19th Century Aussie forebears. 

Also I am aware of the Anglising of surnames, and do not see any obstruction to get from Kong Wye to Conway especially as you note that the 1887 m.c. does not include a given name for Mr Conway who died the previous year. 

I expect the m.c. image would show that CONWAY is the name recorded by the clergyman, based on verbal advice from Emily, and thus the clergyman used his own understanding of the name, based of course on his own experiences, rather than asking Emily "and how do you spell that".
 
Then the clergyman forwarded the details to the civil registration authorities.  Thus there is no given name on that civil registration.

......Marriage of Jordan PEARSON and Emily CONWAY 1887 Fitzroy. Emily CONWAY Widow husband deceased 1886. (no given name for late husband.) 1 CHILD DECEASED.

It is unlikely that the deceased child would be mentioned on Emily's 1902 d.c., but it also seems that the informant for that d.c. may have either mis-understood the question posed regarding any issue, or perhaps had no knowledge .... as she had been hospitalised and unable to speak in those days immediately before her death, it is likely the informant, if a family member, simply mis-understood the question, due to personal grief and the need to make funeral arrangements....

It is quite possible that any children (for example Frederick Leslie Pearson) would have been fostered out as it would be unusual to find a father in 1902 raising his children, as a widower.   His employment could have been at least 48 hurs a week, over 5 1/2 days, and travel to and from his work place for those 6 days may have meant the children were placed with extended family members, who in turn, may have lost contact with that widower, and presumed him to have died.   

I realise this is speculative, however, Frederick Leslie's AIF papers do indicate he was over 21 years of age, and thus he did not need to seek permission from either parent to enlist.  He did nominate a n o k contact, without specifiying the relationship.  And he obviously believed that both his parents were deceased.

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Victorian Census early 1900s
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 23 June 11 06:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you JM, I do not think that Frederick Leslie PEARSON is connected with  CONWAY, as he gave his age as 22 years on the AIF documents. Emily Conway married Jordan PEARSON in 1887. I think Frederick may have been fostered out to them, as they did not have children themselves. I will look into the family of Jordan PEARSON for his siblings, who knows a connection may be there. failing that I have never found a Frederick Leslie as given names for a PEARSON, the most like one was Frederick Leslie LOCHLAND b. 1893 which you provided.

regards, Yogi