Stuck with the Smiths again!

[RRYFS]

I have sent you a PM as Rootschat won't let me cut and paste a web address!

[Hobbit Frodo]

Thanks, just seen it! This site has a few issues with cutting and pasting I think, worried about copyright no doubt!

Thanks

[amazon510]

Okay, Seary reference for Jolliffe in Newfoundland, in case it helps:

Early instances:  Elijah Jollieff, proprietor and occupier of fishing room at Old Perlican, Winter 1800-01 (Trinity Bay census); Peter Jolliff, Jr., merchant of Placentia Bay, 1804 (d'Alberti papers vol 14); James, planter of Fogo, 1816 (MUN history); James Joliffe, planter of Joe Batt's Arm, 1821 (soc. propogation of the gospel records). 

There are a few later references but those are probably the ones of interest.  The communities are all over the map.  The only ones somewhat near Nathanial Smith of Greenspond are the two James' - Fogo and Joe Batt's Arm are both on Fogo Island, which is not too far from Greenspond.

Your Smith might have worked as part of the migratory fishery, fishing in Newfoundland for a few seasons, but never settling permanently.
J.

[Hobbit Frodo]

This is going back to an earlier Smith problem....an update for those of you who have been very kindly helping me along the way. I have been along to a few family history group meetings and following the last one I went to where I decalred I never thought I would find the mysterious Diana who John Smith married at some point in the later 1700s...one of the group has done some digging for me and has found:

John Smith married Diana Payton or Paeton 9th november 1788 in St James Poole!

I have no idea why I haven't managed to find it before as I thought I'd looked through those records when I went down to the records office but hec, it all fits in date wise so I'm willing to go with it!

Popping back to the records office soon, now on the hunt for more about Nathaniel Smith whose Will I have from 1748...he sounds an interesting character and I want to know more....watch this space!
Frodo

[toni*]

excellent 

[Roder51]

Hello everyone!
   I am Roderick Brentnall of Newfoundland Canada. gggg grandfather was Nathaniel Smith of Greenspond Newfoundland. He had 2 brothers that I know of by the names of Robert and Thomas Smith. He (Nathaniel) married a lady by the name of Sarah Hill @ 1806 at Greenspond. Their children were my ggg grandmother Mary who married John T. Oakley of Greenspond, Ryma married Robert Angel Bellows, Nathaniel 1814-1846, Sarah married Thomas Green of Hampshire,England, Amy married James Pitt, Elizabeth married William Bellows, and George married Elizabeth Unknown.

Funny that you speak of the Viney name as Robert, Nathaniel's brother, had a daughter Deborah Viney Smith who married a Richard Elliot Stroud.brentnalster@gmail.com

Funny that my ggg Grandfather (John T. Oakley) was at St. James Poole in 1861 with his son Aubrey Oakley.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7LH-913
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7LH-91S

[Roder51]

More re Newfoundland, Seary's "Family Names of the Island of Newfoundland" has an early reference to "Nath. Smith of Greenspond, 1804".  The source is the d'Alberti papers, volume 14 - transcripts of correspondance 1780-1825, between the governors of Newfoundland and the colonial office.  The papers have scanned and put on-line by Memorial University of Newfoundland.  Smith may be common, but Nathanial is less so - might be worth following up.  Nathanial b. 1771 would have been an adult by 1804, could be the same guy.

http://collections.mun.ca/cdm4/description.php?phpReturn=browse.php&cisoroot=cns_colonia

Also, another thought about Margaret Viney - agreed that it would be unlikely for her middle name to be after her mother's first husband.  Unless she was posthumous?  Was there a Viney male buried less than nine months before Margaret's birth?  Maybe Diana was pregnant and widowed when she married John Smith, then gave her baby both her first and second husbands' names.

Jennifer.

Have searched this Volume 14 totally and cannot find anything in regards to a Nathaniel Smith

[Hobbit Frodo]

Hi Roder51,

This is really interesting stuff! I had moved away from looking at any possible ancestors having moved over to Newfoundland as I was having enough of a headache just trying to work out the local ones and then I had quite a break form family history. I have recently been back on the case though and this is going to be another interesting lead to follow up. I'll keep you posted!!!

Many thanks again

Frodo

[Roder51]

Hello again,
   It was easy to connect on this side of the water but it seems not so easy to have done so on that one. My connection is as follows. George Wm. Brentnall (Dad) B. Gambo>Maria Jane Brentnall B. Gambo> Mary Elizabeth Jenkins B. Harbour Grace, Newfoundland (Robert Brentnall B. New Brunswick,Canada)>Arianna Oakley B. Greenspond(Thomas Jenkins B. Harbour Grace) John T. Oakley (Mary Smith B. Geenspond)>Nathaniel Smith, B. England (Sarah Hill B. England)
See John T. Oakley on the 1st page of this volume. 

http://collections.mun.ca/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/cns_enl&CISOPTR=54&REC=16

See ya! BTW I use Roots Chat from time to time so if you'd like to chat let me know what day you are on. I am in Toronto so I'm not 100% sure of the time change where you are.