Stuck with the Smiths again!

[Hobbit Frodo]

Hi,

I am still on the hunt for various members of my long distant SMITH family and despite various searches (in person at local Dorset history centre as well as online) I have been left stumped about my great great great great grandfather and mother! What I have (from Family Search website mainly) is:

John SMITH (b. 1785 Poole Dorset) marries Diana (b. 1789 Poole) in 1810

They then go on to have:

Margaret Viney SMITH baptised 12/01/1814
William SMITH b. 25/01/1811

Margaret goes on to marry James GALLOP in 1837 (Great Canford)
William marries Sarah HORE (b. 1821) in Great Canford

William and Sarah both live with her parents John HORE (who must have had some presence in the community as he was a publican briefly, owned land for a short period of time and was made Burgess of Poole in 1871....he died in 1874 recorded in Parkstone records - aged 96) and Jane HORE (nee COOKMAN)

I have no death dates for John and Diana and cannot find any marriage records other than the very basic statement on FamilySearch that has been put on by someone at some point...I have been trawling through a lot of microfische all day but to no avail.

I do not know who their parents were or what Diana's maiden name was, though I have tried looking using 'Viney' (daughter's middle name) but that didn't come to anything. The only two Diana's recorded in the area for births / baptisms (that I found) were: Diana b. march 5th 1790 to Thomas and Elizabeth HUTCHINGS and Diana b. 6th June 1790 to George and Sarah HOOPER. But I cannot find any links between these names and John Smith, also the records were hard to read so I may not have got them quite right.


Any help would be very very gratefully recieved as it's driving me a bit crazy and has now become rather a mission to figure out who they all were!

Thanks

Frodo 

[AMBLY]

Hi

If you subtract 1785 from 1810, you get 25
If you subtract 1789 from 1810,you get 21

This looks suspiciously like the IGI 'formula' for 'estimated' ages that a person would be at the time of a certain event that  they (IGI) have documentation records of.

I can't get into the IGI at the mo - but I'm picking the 1810 marriage is a submission and on it it also says Diana b 1789 Poole and John b 1785 Poole?

If so, I'd bet my hat, that this submission is based soley on the extracted Christening record of son William in 1811.  IGI then neatly estimate:
   1) The parents were married before the birth and this would be   
                     the year before the baby was born 
   2) Average age at marriage for father = 25 (so born abt 1785)
   3) Average age at marriage for mother = 21 (so born abt 1789)
   4) And since the baby was born in Poole, then probably the   
                    parents were married there, and possibly from there ( <of   
                    Poole> )

These 'estimates' may sometimes work out about right. But many do not - I remember one case years ago, when the couple in question were eventually proved to be in their 40's when they married and had one last gasp child. They were born way before the IGI assumed they were!

I'd agree though, that VINEY may be an important clue.

Cheers
AMBLY

[toni*]

do you have John & diana on the 1841/51 census or their deaths ?

[toni*]

something to look at

Name:   Diana Smith
Age:   50
Burial Date:   1 Oct 1817
Parish:   Poole
abode: Parkstone

[toni*]

and

Name:   John Smith
Age:   71
Burial Date:   19 Jan 1837
Parish:   Poole
abode: Parkstone

i know there are a lot of JOhn Smiths but not t Parkstone it would seem

[toni*]

margaret Viney Smith was christened January 12th 1814 at St James Poole
the daughter of John & Diana Smith abode Parkstone
he was a coalmetor
the first bit is def. Coal the second bit is not miner but begins with m.

[toni*]

i see a JOhn Viney who lived in Wimborne Saint Giles, Dorset left made a will in 1802 he is the only Viney i can see on the will list i am using in Dorset
i don't know if it is any use or not
he left most of his things to his wife Mary Viney and some things to his son either James or Frances Viney first glance james then it looks more like Frances afetr that 

added he was a gardener

[Hobbit Frodo]

Wow! I run away to watch tv for an hour and come back to all these posts!!!!!  

Thanks so much guys, lots to think about indeed.

The John SMITH buriel for 1837 definately needs some looking into I think (I feel another late night coming on   ) and this would make the dob 1766. This could really help lead somewhere as then that would also tie in with the potential guestimates for ages etc.

Thanks so so much! I have been feeling a bit busy from all the microfische reading so really appreciate the help. Also, intrigued about the 'Coal?' will let you know if I find out what on earth it was! His son, grandson and great grandson were all joiners and cabinet makers...wonder where the coal bit got left behind!

Thanks again

Frodo

[Hobbit Frodo]

Sorry posted before seeing the Viney bit....also worth me having a nose at those details to see if I can find any links....shame he too wasn't a Coal???!

Frodo