Directory of Irish People Living in Manchester in 1861

[daisynook]

No I haven't, can't find them

[Blue70]

Do you have Sarah or any of this family on any other census? How do you know Sarah was born in Ireland in 1853? Tell us what information you have to give us a better chance of finding them on the census records.

C

[daisynook]

I have her marriage certificate.  Born Queens County, Ireland 1853 married William Mather in Manchester Cathedral on 6 June 1873 both residing at Upper Baxter Street, Hulme, Manchester.  Fathers name Michael Kelly.  Witnessed by Dinah and William Foy.

There are so many Michael and Sarah Kellys I've been unable to pin them to the same address and I have no mothers name.

[Blue70]

Hi Daisynook

I did a Google search and you've been struggling with this for a while haven't you? Like other people I haven't been able to find anything for the Kellys for 1861 or 1871. If Michael Kelly occupation bricklayer had come over with Sarah you would expect to be able to find him on the census.

I think Sarah probably came over on her own or with friends looking for work. She probably arrived after the 1871 census so was not recorded as a single woman. It makes sense as she was just about old enough to go out into the world looking for work.

On the 1881 census she is a married woman living at 5 Lavende Street Manchester but has the occupation of Braid Tenter this would suggest that she did come over to work and was probably working as a Braid Tenter when she met William Mather. This census wrongly gives her place of birth as Manchester.

The other census returns give her place of birth as Ireland and as you said specifically Queens County. The 1891 census has the family living in Horton, Bradford in Yorkshire. The other census returns have them back in Manchester.


C

 

[daisynook]

Yes I have been looking for a while and know details from her marriage forward.  As you say she probably came alone and its been suggested to me that she was possibly lodging with William as they were at the same address before the marriage.  The Foy's who were witnesses on her marriage certificsate were probably friends she came over with and I have been in touch with someone who have these Foys in their family tree but they knew no family connection.

I have had no luck with her family in Ireland either, I'd like to know her mother and siblings names and her exact place of birth but its a long shot with lack of paperwork.

Thanks for your interest anyway.

[Luzzu]

Hi,

From your previous thread, I think there were only two Sarah Kelly's of the right age in Manchester on the 1871 and neither were born in Ireland.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,538203.0.html

I wonder if we should start looking in Liverpool based on that being the most likely point of entry into England  .  There are a couple of the right age but none you could definitively identify as yours.

Can anyone on the Irish board help with finding a birth or baptism with you having a specific county?

I think what CGR1970 said about her coming over to work does make sense.  I think they did bring Irish workers over to work in the mills when there was a period of industrial action/strikes by the original workforce.

Luzzu

[Luzzu]

Have you seen these links?  Just in case there is anything that might help you.

http://www.irishmidlandsancestry.com/index.html

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/LEX/#ChurchRecords

Luzzu

[Blue70]

Roots Ireland have parish records for Queen's County/County Laois there's a baptism that looks interesting but it is a few years out so in order for it to be a match Sarah would have lied about her age. It's possible she could have lied about her age to get work in England. Here is the possible baptism:-

Name: Sarah Kelly
Parish: Raheen RC
County: Queens/Laois
Year: 1857
Father: Michael Kelly


C

[aghadowey]

Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864- for earlier dates you need to see if a church baptismal records survives (unfortunately many, possibly most, do not and not all those that do still exist will be found online).