Hinder , Prinsep , Morris , Aylwin , Cooper , Sheperd , Fogg

[Richardson]

Looking for information on Arthur Beryl Prinsep  b. July 1891 , Dartford , m. Adeline Mary Hinder ( Prinsep )( Aylwin )  , f.  Arthur Thoby Haversleigh Prinsep. They were living with a Morris family in 1891.  A.M.Hinder b. 1864 , Calcutta , f. Dr. John Hinder d. 1880 , m. Harriet Ann Morris. 2nd. husband Charles Stanley Aylwin , f. Horace Aylwin , ( f. George Alen Aylwin , m.  Mary Ann Cooper )  m.  Fanny Tracy Sheperd in Ontario , Canada.  John Hinder left England for Australia in the 1790s , married Ann Fog in Australia , they had 3 sons , John died in Ceylon 1818 of cholera. Ann and boys went to Calcutta.  Chumr

[lizdb]

It would be clearer if you could just list one family at a time! This list of names ranges from someone with one name who died in 1818, to someone else emigrating in the 1790's to someone else who was only born in 1891.

So - Arthur Prinsep bn JUly 1891 - you want more info.
What have you got?
You say he marries Adeline Hinder and they are with a Morris family in 1891? This doesnt tie up if he was only born in July 1891!

Have you got his marriage cert? If so who was his father?
Have you got his birth cert? That would give you both parents names

[casalguidi]

Yes, some more precise information would be useful as to what you already have and what you would like to find out.


I have found the family you refer to in the 1901 census of Nelson, Halton, Ontario, Canada

Charles AYLWIN head mar b.29 Aug 1872 Ontario
Adline wife b.19 Sep (year unclear but in her thirties) India
Pearl G H PRINSEP step dau b.19 Mar 1886 India
Ruby G H PRINSEP step dau b.21 Aug 1887 Australia
Garnet T PRINSEP step son b.10 Jan 1889 India
Beryl A PRINSEP step son b.14 Aug 1891 England
Ethel M AYLWIN daughter b.11 Oct 1899 Ontario
+ Thomas NEWMAN, a domestice, farm servant b.Nov 1883 England

It says Adline emigrated in 1896 whilst the PRINSEP children emigrated in 1899

I can't find the family in the 1891 census but I have found this one (rather a coincidence wouldn't you think)

1891 - 46 St George's Place, Canterbury

William H J RICHARDSON head mar 33 Indian Staff Corps captain b.East India (BS)
Rose wife 28 b.Middlesex
Beryl H dau 5 b.East India (BS)
Peal H J dau 4 b.East India (BS)
Garnet H J son 2 b.East India (BS)
Edith L servant unm 19 nurse b.Middlesex

(not sure about the initials for middle names)

RG12/708 folio 38 page 15

Beryl PRINSEP gives his place of birth as Isle of Wight, England, crossed out and replaced with Bexleyheath, England (14 Aug 1893) on his WW1 CEF paper.  Next of kin, mother, Adeline AYLWIN dated 15 March 1917

The birth registration of Ruby L PRINSEP in Australia 1885 gives her parents as Adeline M and Thoby http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births

Do you have a baptism or birth certificate for Arthur Beryl in the Dartford district 1891 which might give more precise information?

Casalguidi

[scintilla]

From the fibis website

Presidency of Marriage     BENGAL   
Marriage Year                    1883   
Husband First Names     Arthur J. H.   
Husband Surname       Prinsep   
Wife First Names             Adeline Mary   
Wife Surname             Hinder   

[scintilla]

The 1892 edition of Kelly's Handbook of Titled Classes gives

Name            Prinsep   
Rank etc.      Hon.   
First Names     Hy. Thoby   

Family, Career, Home
Eld. s. of late H.T.Prinsep, B.C.S. b.1836. m.1887, Lilla L., widow of Andrew Skeen, M.D. and youngest dau. of late W. Forster Smythe of Staplefield Place, Sussex. B.C.S. from 1855. Puisne Judge of High Court at Calcutta from 1878. 1, Russell St. Calcutta.   

[Richardson]

Hello All

  Arthur Beryl Prinsep is the son of Adeline Mary Hinder ( Prinsep )( Aylwin ). They  were living with a Morris family in 1891 in Dartford?  Mother of A.M.Hinder was Harriet Ann Morris. A.B.Prinsep d. Feb.13,1968 in Vancouver , B.C. , Canada.

   Richardson is  a surprise .
   
   Ruby Laurel Grace Hyacinths Prinsep ( Cook ).  d. Dec.24,1969 in Victoria , B.C. , Canada
   Pearl Harriet Jean Grace Hyacinths Prinsep. d. Oct.27,1959 in Vancouver , B.C. , Canada
   Garnet Thoby Prinsep.
   Arthur Beryl Prinsep.
   I have as father Arthur Thoby Haversleigh Prinsep , m. Adeline Mary Hinder.

   My mother Adeline Fanny Grace Aylwin ( Richardson ).

   Thank you.

   Chum

[casalguidi]

They  were living with a Morris family in 1891 in Dartford?

May we ask the source of this little snippet?  I can't see any sign of them in the 1891 census in Dartford or Bexley(heath) - only that family in Canterbury

Do you have the birth or baptism details for Arthur Beryl ie. from the actual birth certificate or parish register?

Do you have emigration details for Adeline or the children?

Is there any specific that you are hoping to find/uncover?

Casalguidi

[Richardson]

  The birth is from the FREEBMD. I was told years ago that Adeline was living with a Morris family in 1891. That is why Arthur Beryl Prinsep was born in Dartford. I have never been able to find where in Dartford they were living. The Morris family they were living with would probable be relatives of Adeline mother. I have had a problem tracing the Morris family as well as Arthur Thoby Haversleigh Prinsep.  Only immigration information for Adeline and the children is from the previous messages.

     Chum

[scintilla]

They could have arrived in Dartford (from India) between the 1891 census (5th April) and Arthur Beryls birth in August. Although from the CEF WW1 documents it looks as though it was more likely to be Bexleyheath rather than Dartford, they of course border each other and Bexleyheath would have come under the Dartford registration district. There are several Morris families living in Bexleyheath on the 1891 census, have you looked at them for any likely candidates?