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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 18 December 12 14:56 GMT (UK) »
And talking of that 1829 Pigot's list of pubs, there's one listed as the Red Bull, Keelman's Row.  Now, I've seen old maps of the area with "The Buffalo" at the end of Keelman's Row, an ancient row of cottages that used to run roughly along the line of Regent Street.

If it's the same pub, rebuilt or renamed, and "Red Bull gives you wings", I suppose they must be Buffalo Wings.

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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 18 December 12 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Well, I've had a shufties at that picture you posted and I have made myself crosseyed and bewildered trying to work out what that advertisement is for on the Blyth & Tyne Brewery building.

It says;

        Star & Garter
              Hotel

Commercial & Residential
       L?
        Dining Room?
     Private Car Park
            GARAGE



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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 18 December 12 20:27 GMT (UK) »
I think the "L" word is Luncheons.

"Free Car Park" and "Garage" have some slight relevence to this, because car parks and garages in 1829 weren't exactly great hooks for passing trade on account of the relative lack of motorised traffic before cars were invented.

So I think you're right, it's got to be an advert. Surely the brewery would only have advertised it if they owned it as well, so maybe that was it - good pint here, brewed on the premises, you want a bed for the night? look no further than 200 yards to your right.

I found a map online of Blyth from 1860 and there's a P.H. on the right spot in Northumberland Street, so maybe the 1829 building was in the same spot. Flood damage? Fire maybe?
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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 18 December 12 21:59 GMT (UK) »

 Some snippets.........

Pigot's Trade Directory of 1834 lists only one "Inn"  .. the S & G
All the other watering places are listed under "Taverns and Public Houses."

I am no expert on advertising, but your gem ( S & G) which is out of site from the centre of Blyth, round a couple of corners, needs a bit of help.
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/005364FS.htm
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/005363FS.htm

Even the Blyth Railway Station is on the other side of town--- and anyway was
situated in Cowpen.

Target population for brewers etc...
For 1901 census Blyth Urban District pop numbers 5472, for 1911 6985, then for 1921, by sleight of hand, jumps to 31822 !   This is a result of the merger of the more populous Township of Cowpen with the Township of Blyth.

The  1860 ordnance survey map shows the border between the two udcs before the merger , in 1908 ( i've  forgotten !)

 Philip, when mail was delivered to Blyth in C18th, where did the postie sound his horn to summons the addressees ?

I am in Scotland doing a wee bit of research in Scottish pubs.

Like Alisdair I played football for pub teams ( Cowpen Colliery Inn, The Thoroton, Bebside and Cowpen Social Club- but I got most of my knowledge of local pubs from playing darts- home and away !

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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 19 December 12 00:05 GMT (UK) »

 Philip, when mail was delivered to Blyth in C18th, where did the postie sound his horn to summons the addressees ?


All I know about the postal system for 'Blyth' comes from John Wallace. He wrote that no post was delivered to Blyth prior to 1780. After 1780 it would seem (reading between the lines) that arrangements were made to meet with the Morpeth stagecoach once a week when opportunity was made to receive post and also to send it out of the area. Perhaps that meeting took place at the Three Horse Shoes up on the old turnpike.

Around about 1800 it seems that arrangements were made for the post to get to Blyth via Shields three days a week by a postman on horseback. On arrival in the town he would sound his horn and then get off his horse outside the Star & Garter and stand atop the mounting steps there. As people gathered he read out the names of those for whom he had mail. Apparently it was a close knit community with a wonderful gossip-vine, and apparently young women perhaps expecting letters from young male admirers paid the postman not to read out their names.  So the Blyth girls weren't by any means 'daft'!

Wallace went on to say that by the end of the war (I assume 1815) Blyth was receiving post daily. A certain Mr Sheraton was Blyth's very first Post Master, a room being boxed off in the Star tap-room, a hostelry run by a George Hills. He used to get quite upset by the youth of the day who would taunt him by asking "any news from the Hague". His ill temper goaded even more by them repeating the question. No change in kids irritating adults in the last 200 years!

Blyth received just a handful of post on post days circa 1800, but by 1861 Wallace records that letters passing through Blyth amounted to 190,750. Inward letters totaled 99,500 and outward 91,250.

Wallace also records that upwards of 2000 families were within the catchment area of the Blyth office delivery area.

So, in all probability the original Star / Star & Garter was on the same site as the 'modern' building. Perhaps the redevelopment of the pub was made possible with profits from the post office at that  time renting space from the landlord. However, as the port was growing quickly in that era, accommodation would be required for all manner of professionals.

Wonderful little snippets to digest from John Wallace.

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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 19 December 12 00:58 GMT (UK) »
A Star & Garter advertisement from about 1930, though the picture of the hotel is much older.

Note at the bottom of the advert that the Star & Garter's proprietors were the Blyth & Tyne Brewery Co. Ltd. So that gives us an answer to that query, hence the advertisement on the side of their brewery building. I like it when these little loose ends get all tied off.

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Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
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Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.

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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 19 December 12 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Very neat indeed!

I'm guessing Northumberland Street used to be the main thoroughfare into the town before the Waterloo Bridge was built and then the Gut drained. There's a Google digitised book The History of Blyth online which has some references to the Star & Garter and a stone quarry that was behind it that seem to be around 1730, so it's obviously seen a bit of action over the years. Shame it's all boarded up now.

Thanks all for helping get to the answer.
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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 08 January 13 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Kelly's Trade Directory , Northumberland, 1938.

Brewery Bar, PH, ( Jas Carmichael) Blagdon St.
Royal Hotel, PH, ( Jas Carmichael) Beaconsfield St.

 Michael
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Cumberland.. Brampton, Carlisle, ENGLAND

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Re: Blyth versus Cowpen
« Reply #53 on: Friday 16 May 14 01:50 BST (UK) »
Exciting news for this thread. I just acquired an old photograph of 'The Ship' public house at Blyth. But which one, Crofton or Cowpen Quay?

All you have to do is choose which size you'd like to view it;

https://www.flickr.com/photos/51893012@N05/14213719743/sizes/l

Enjoy

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Northumberland; Johnson, Johnston, Dodds, Rutherford, Gray, Kennedy, Wilson, Sanderson, Davidson and other Border Marauders as they are discovered on this journey.
Berkshire; Knight, Bristor, Sharpe, Sharp, Ashley.
Suffolk / Essex; Perce, Pearce, Pearse, Pierce, Hayes.
Midlands; Hodgetts, Parker, Easthope.