John Henry Nuttall, Blackburn weaver

[Luzzu]

When I posted the information earlier about the Mary Ann Nuttall burial in 1892, I should have given you a link to the Burnley Cemetery burials as there are loads of Nuttalls for you to have a look at:-

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Burnley/cemetery/index.html

Re the 1881 census information Isobelruss posted, I did find a marriage on www.freebmd.org.uk that fits:-

2nd qtr 1865 Burnley 8e 200
William Addison
James Butterworth
Sarah Nuttall
Margaret Smith

There is a public tree on A******y that says William Nuttall, aged 20, married Sarah Ann Riley on 23 March 1878 at Holy Trinity Church, Habergham Eaves, Burnley and that William Addison was recorded as the father of William Nuttall.  The witnesses were Abraham Duckworth and Sarah Shuttleworth.

So it is looking to me like William Nuttall was the illegitimate son of Sarah Nuttall and William Addison was his step-father.

I tried to look for a corresponding birth reference but there were several William Nuttalls born in 1858.  On the LancsBMD there is one registered in Bury North (ref BN/21/60) with the mother's maiden name as Nuttall  so indicating an illegitimate birth.

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Then it gets worse because in 1871:-

William Addison 48 head mar cotton weaver born Colne
Sarah Addison 34 wife mar cotton weaver born Burnley
James Addison 13 son sgle cotton weaver born Burnley
Maria Addison 9 dau sgle cotton weaver born Burnley
William Nutter (sic) 11 nephew sgle cotton weaver born Harwood
John Bramwood 5 lodger wdr cotton weaver born Warrington
Mary Smith 79 lodger wdw general servant born Carlton, Yorkshire
 
Class: RG10; Piece: 4157; Folio: 108; Page: 9; GSU roll: 846738

So now he is William Addison's nephew  ,

It does look like Sarah Nuttall was William Addison's second wife.  On the 1851 census he was still single and in 1861 his wife was Mary.

Possible marriage:-
1st qtr 1857 Burnley 8e 205
William Addison
Mary Brunton
Mary Preston
Joseph Shackleton

I am guessing he married Mary Preston judging by the number of Preston relatives living with them in 1861 including two of her children, probably from a previous marriage.

What a tangle web we weave  .

So it all sort of fits together.

Luzzu

[swish]

So, looking at John H. Nuttall's dad, William Nuttall (1860-1998), it looks like he was the illigitimate son of Sarah Nuttall (b. 1838).  Is there any information about Sarah's parents?

William would have been about 5-7 years younger than his  wife Mary Ann Riley.  He didn't stay around very long.  Most likely their marriage didn't work out.  But where did he go?  Did he remarry? or was he in the military?

[Luzzu]

The 1861 census for Sarah Nuttall, I think, confirms that William Nuttall was illegitimate.  It also confirms her parents as William and Mary Nuttall.  I think you would really need to obtain Sarah Nuttall's birth certificate to get her mother's maiden name.  The problem is Nuttall is a very common name in Lancashire and there are many Sarahs.  Civil registration for BMD only started in Sept 1837 so before that date you need to start researching parish records (I would confirm as much as I could after 1837 before trying to go further back.  Sarah isn't  their oldest child as in 1851 there is a Thomas Nuttall, 1 year older than Sarah.  Also in 1851 there is Alice Nuttall born in circa 1842 between Elizabeth and David.

1861
William Nuttall 47 head mar engine tenter born Burnley
Mary Nuttall 50 wife mar born Ireland
Sarah Nuttall 22 dau sgle cotton weaver born Burnley
Elizabeth Nuttall 20 dau sgle cotton weaver born Burnley
David Nuttall 15 son sgle stoker born Burnley
Henry Nuttall 12 son sgle cotton weaver born Burnley
William Nuttall 6 son sgle scholor born Burnley
William Nuttall 10 months grandson infant born Great Harwood

RG9/3069/ 50 p 24

You've got a massive amount of information to go through now and you might need to draw some diagrams and maybe order some certificates to confirm all of this and see where to go next. Like many of us you probably need to be selective as they cost £9.25 each.  If you want to order any you can do it online at www.gro.gov.uk

Have a great day in Burnley.

Luzzu

PS re William Nuttall (father of John Henry and wife of Mary Ann Riley) - he didn't go far if that's him buried in Burnley Cemetery in 1898.

[swish]

OK, thank you Luzzu and others, I think this is as far as I can go on my grand mother's side for now.  I will now start work on my grandfather's side.  We leave in 3 days to visit England and we're just so excited. This information will provide such an important background for our trip. 

This lookup is COMPLETED

[soozie1964]

Hi, Sorry this seems a delayed answer to your posting, but I have only just seen your thread, and
have just been amazed to see this posting ...
My great Grandfather was John Henry Nuttall..
Weaver from Blackburn !!
He was originally married to my great Grandmother  Alice Sarah Martha Smith ( Tottenham, London )..they had my Nan Florence and her brother Wilfred in Barnoldswick, Lancs.
At some point, Alice ran away with the 2 children, back to her family in London.
I then found John Henry on the 1911 Census as a 'Lodger' with Elizabeth Starkie. I noticed that the 2 children  had the name "Nuttall-Starkie" -  put 2 & 2 together and came up with 10 !! LOL....
I sent off for the birth cert. for the little girl called Elsie b. 11 Mar 1908...it says her name is Elsie Nuttall..Father John William Starkie...Mother Elizabeth Starkie , formerly Sharples.   
In the right hand column, a statement has been typed..
"  In column 4 ( fathers name ) OMIT John William Starkie, and in column 6 ( Fathers occupation ) OMIT Cotton Weaver...Corrected 23rd December 1938 by me, James Hornby, Supt. Registrar on production of statutory declarations by John William and Elizabeth Starkie.

Would love to talk more about all this !   

[Radcliff]

St Luke Brierfield
7TH of July 1900
John William Starkie,20,cotton weaver,bachelor of 31 Pendle Street Nelson
Elizabeth Sharples,19,spinster ,cotton weaver of 29 Junction Street
grooms father Barnard Starkie,cotton weaver
brides father John Sharples,cotton weaver
witness to marriage ,Thomas Ashworth and Grace Walton Ashworth


Elsie Nuttal Starkie,reistered Nelson,Preston 1908,mother Sharples

[soozie1964]

Hi Swish, thanks so much for your reply..sorry I can't Private Message you yet because I havn't done 3 postings on the forum yet  ! ?  Anyway I wondered how much info you had about John Henry Nuttall ?  He has been the bane of my life !! in research terms. I was thrilled to find him when the 1911 census was opened in the UK last year , but that led to confusion, with the Starkie connection - and the children Elsie ( your gran ) and John Vincent.
As they had the name Nuttall on their Birth certs, and as the amendment was made many years later - does this mean that they were actually John Henry Nuttalls children, therefore my nans half siblings for sure  ?  We have no photo's of John Henry Nuttall, although I have a wedding photo which I am sure shows my Gt Gran Alice Smith standing next to a man who MAY be J.H ? We have no idea whos wedding it was. I don't suppose you have any pictures of him ?
We now also realise that if he and Alice never divorced - she re-married BIGAMOUSLY!! in 1918, to a policeman !!  The wedding cert says shes a widow...but I have always had my doubts !! There are so many J H Nuttall deaths, it is almost impossible to narrow down, unless you have any more info ?

[Shropshiregal]

Seeing your post mentioning Abraham & Susannah Duckworth has prompted me to join Rootschat. I went to Burnley last Sunday and found their grave, which is also the grave of Mary Ann Nuttall (Riley). There was no stone to mark the spot, but I am confident that I found the correct patch of grass. My Grandfather James was Abraham & Susannah's son, so we are distant cousins. Can send you photos when I have worked out how this site works.