Robert Crossman 1804 Holy Island / Durham

[Robert Robert]

Robert Crossman, of Holy Island, was my wife's great grandfather, her grandfather was John Wycliffe C, the youngest son of Robert.  Her father was another James Hiscutt (1900 to 1992).  We have a history of the Crossman family compiled by Sir Douglas Peter C of Tetworth Hall (near Sandy, Beds).  On rootschat (dated, I think, about 2001) there was a reply to a Shirley C from a Martin Robert Douglas C who said that he was also a cousin of Sir Douglas.  Do you have any info re M R D Crossman?

[Hiscutt]

Many thanks for the information, Robert Crossman had 12 children, and John Wycliffe was the youngest b.13/2/1850. who married Caroline Ada. They also had 12 children one of which was called John Wycliffe b. 1892 d. 1904.
Martin Robert d. Crossman b. unknown, married Carol Nancy, had 2 children Emma 1968 & Robert 1970. Nothing about Shirley.
I was interested to hear that the Crossman family tree is on Rootchat, how can I gain access to it? On my family tree there are only app. 120 Crossmans but I know there are a lot more. So any information would be appreciated.

[Hemmum]

'My' Robert Crossman was baptised in Tavistock 1815 12 20 son of George (labourer) and Elizabeth (nee Jago).

Robert (the brewer) was baptised on Holy Island. Robert Crossman born 21 Aug 1803, baptised 4 Sep 1803 4th son of William Crossman, gunner, native of Berwick by his wife Margaret Gilchrist native of Tweedmouth- Holy Island baptism.
Roberts father William (says he was from Berwick although there were no Crossmans in the Berwick area and his baptism has not been found in Berwick). Was he from Devon?
He entered and left the Army as a private. His previous occupation was given as tailor.

Roberts father William was born 1750 (from his army record) or born 1759 (as his burial). As the 1841 census William Crossman was born 1759 not Northumberland (Army Pensioner).

If William had been born in 1759 then he would have joined the army aged 16 (not aged 23 as given on his Army record)
Was William only 16 when he joined the Army?

William Crossman married Mary Gilchrist, 24 Dec 1781 in Berwick on Tweed
If William was born 1750 then he was aged 31 at the marriage. If he was born 1759 then he was aged 22 at his marriage.

Holy Island baptism for William and Margaret's children
Alexander, born at Tweedmouth to William and Margaret Crossman. Born 30 Dec 1797 baptised by a Presbyterian minister - Holy Island baptism
Twins. Rachel and Sarah, born 20 Nov 1798 Tweedmouth, baptised Christmas 1798 3rd and 4th daur of William and Margaret baptised by a Presbyterian minister - Holy Island baptism
Twins. James and Margaret, 3rd son, 5th daur. of William and Margaret  born 29 Apr 1800, baptised 30 Apr 1801. baptised by a Presbyterian minister - Holy Island baptism, James died the same day and Margaret on the 15th.

It then appears that William and Margaret had a son and two daughters before their children were baptised on Holy Island.

Where were they baptised? The only Devon baptism is perhaps
William Crossman born 2nd March 1783 Stoke Climsland son of William and Marjery.  This is only child for William and Margery in the Tamar area (but if this is their first son this would follow the traditional naming pattern)

If William Crossman was born between 1750-1759. There were two William bapt in the Tavistock area in 1748 one in Mary Tavy in1749 then the next a William in 1767. None there really 'fit' (too old or too young) but many Crossmans were NC so perhaps his baptism is elsewhere!! The Crossman family was widespread in the Devon/Cornwall/Tamar area.

[Robert Robert]

My 'mistake'.  If you Google "Martin Robert Douglas Crossman" and then open "Re CROSSMAN John" that will take you to a different site "genforum....." where you will find the ref to Shirley C.
Alexander C was a middle son of Robert and Alexander's grandson was Sir Douglas Peter C of Tetworth Hall, making Sir D a second cousin of your mother Cecille.  My wife is also a second cousin of Sir D and your mother.  I don't think the Crossman family tree is literally on rootschat.  It must be well over ten years ago that my wife and I took her father ( the other James Hiscutt that I mentioned) and mother to an open day at Tetworth Hall and it was then that we acquired the booklet  of family history that Sir D had compiled.  It consists of about 28 pp of A5.  If you care to send me a personal message with an email address, I can try to email a PDF copy to you - it takes two or three goes cos the file is so big.  Incidentally,  Sir D's compilation shows 13 children of Robert.  As a further aside, my wife was one of 43 beneficiaries of an intestate first cousin so there are quite a lot of Crossman derivatives about!

[Riviera]

I write from France. I'm interested by English people wintering on the French Riviera between 1880 and 1914.
According to the land register of the town of  Frejus, Var, France, "James Crossman" built a villa in 1889 and sold it in 1895. This villa still exists and is called "Chateau Aurélien" or "Villa Aurélienne". A mark  "JHC/AD 1889" is engraved on a wall. I supposed they are the initials of the builder and of the architect. Could "JHC" mean "James Hiscutt Crossman" (1833-1899) ? Had a "James H. Crossman" belonging to this Crossman family built a villa on the French Riviera ?
Apart from the name on the land register and the initials engraved on a wall, I have no other information about this "James H. Crossman".
I also found an article about "James Hiscutt Crossman, of Hamilton Terrace, Regent's Park, London, director of the brewing firm of Mann, Crossman an Paulin" who died in Canes on April 1908 from injuries received in a car accident. Was he the son of James Hiscutt Crossman 1833-1899 ?
Thank you.

[Hemmum]

Hi Rivera
Although this is not my line I have some notes from another chatter part of which reads;

In 1889 James Hiscutt Crossman ‘Old James’ asked his wifes trustees to invest her fortune in real estate in France the site at Vidaudau near Draguianan in Var. He employed Messrs Pecourt the local firm to build Chateau Aurelieu.
‘Old James’ third son was  James Hiscutt Crossman who died in the car accident.

Looks like you are spot on. If you want to PM me I can send you more details