Robert Crossman 1804 Holy Island / Durham

[Hemmum]

Thank you once again Janis. That is another two baptisms for Robert Crossman and Sarah nee Douglas children (however I have never heard the name 'Hiscutt').
It is interesting that you mention NC records as the Devon family were NC. Were James and Margaret's baptism C of E or NC?

On Genuki I found;
bapt 6 Nov 1831  Margaret Gilchrist Crossman child of James & Rachel Hall – Holy Island.
Was James Crossman a brother of Robert?
James and Rachael's children are being born at the same time as Robert and Sarah's children. Was their daughter named after her grandmother?

Was there another Crossman/Gilchrist link?

Another record is Robert Crossman Gilchrist born in 1855 in Berwick, Durham, England. He was a brewer in Seaton Carew

Bearing in mind Margaret Gilchrist is named as the mother of Robert Crossman:
Robert Crossman 21st Aug 1803 to a William Crossman and Margaret Gilchrist, Northumberland.
Where and when did William and Margaret Gilchrist marry?

On the Chelsea Pensioners records (Roberts father) William Crossman (Tailor then Gunner RA) says he was born 1750 Berwick. Was there a Crossman family in the Berwick area around this time? Or possibly was William born elsewhere but settled in the Berwick area?

If the burial 12 Mar 1819  Margaret Crossman of Holy Island aged 58 was Robert Crossman's mother then Margaret Gilchrist was born about 1761.

I have not found her baptism. The only Gilchrist I have seen was:
burial 18 Dec 1831  James Gilchrist of Fenham aged 20 (born 1811) - Holy Island

Was Margaret also from Fenham?

If there was an established Crossman family in the area then there is probably no link between Northumberland and Devon but If William Crossman who was in the Army and posted to the Northumberland area then perhaps there is a link.

Any further ideas or thoughts etc would be appreciated.
Regards

[2zpool]

I believe the Tweedmouth baptisms were C of E.

It is only a transcript and that might be what it (Hiscutt) looked like but I couldn't say for sure.

Janis

[WolfieSmith]

A couple of extracted IGI marriages at Berwick. Extracted records are generally ok, its the member submitted entries that are usually dodgy.

William Redyard and Mary Crossman, 21 Oct 1764.
William Crossman and Mary Gilchrist, 24 Dec 1781.

Alan.

[Hemmum]

Dear Alan and Janis
Thanks for your help.
The 1781 Berwick marriage Alan found is obviously the correct marriage for Roberts parents, is there a way to find if there was any witnesses etc on the marriage? (I also trust IGI extracted).

William Crossman would have been aged about 31 when he married Margaret Gilchrist whilst serving as a Gunner in the Royal Artillery. He attested 1.1.1773 aged 23. at Berwick. Although his record says he was of Berwick his records are not as detailed as many I have seen. From my previous family RA servicemen they did not always attest locally. One born in Sussex attested at Liverpool (before being sent to Ireland). It suggest they can attest near to their posting?

I have not found many Crossmans in the Durham area so am unsure if they originated in that area. I really need to find a link from that area to Devon but am not hopeful.

Any help appreciated
Ros

[2zpool]

Berwick Holy Trinity:

Alexander Crossman baptised 23 oct 1842 s/o Robert and Sarah Crossman, Brewer of Quay Walls, Berwick

Eliza Crossman baptised 20 Mar 1845 d/o Robert and Sarah Crossman, Brewer of Silver St. Berwick

Alexander Crossman baptised 26 Jan 1846 s/o William and Mary Crossman, Attorney-at-Law of High St. Berwick

Sarah Marshall Crossman baptised 11 Oct 1849 d/o William and Mary Crossman, solicitor of Bridge St. Berwick

Just some more Crossman's for your list--also of note there was a Thomas and Margaret Gilchrist and Thomas was an attorney-at-law also.

There was also a Gilchrist family in Berwick that were brewers having children in the 1850's--William Nesbitt and Eleanor Gilchrist

If Alexander seems like a likely name there was a baptism in Spittal Presby of a Alexander Gilchrist 27 Mar 1868, born 24 Mar 1868 s/o Alexander and Elisabeth Gilchrist.  There was also a Rachel Gilchrist born 1765, same parents

There was a family having children in the Berwick area with the parents Alexander, grocer, and wife Eleanor,  these were in the 1820-1830's. (Bapt Berwick High Meeting House)

Also a Captain William Crossman, Ship Captain, and wife Jane Cameron

Janis

[Hemmum]

Gosh Janis
You have been busy. I have to say this lot seem very grand up against my Devon lot! Miners, Agi Labs, Carpenters but there was a Devon Crossman who was a humble stone mason working on the docks but was knighted and became the first Lord Mayor of Cardiff!

I am interested in 'Also a Captain William Crossman, Ship Captain, and wife Jane Cameron' 
The Devon family are near to Plymouth and a couple of Williams who were named as mariners in marriage or children's baptisms. There is also the later Crossman Gilchrist marriage in 1847 Devonport Devon which I know is linked to the Devon family.

I have 1755 will for William Crossman born Tavistock of HMS York his sole beneficiary was his father Robert Crossman. The will was proved 1762.

Do you have a time frame for Capt William Crossman?

Thanks again for all your efforts - your eyes must be hurting!

[Robert Robert]

Gosh Janis
You have been busy. I have to say this lot seem very grand up against my Devon lot! Miners, Agi Labs, Carpenters but there was a Devon Crossman who was a humble stone mason working on the docks but was knighted and became the first Lord Mayor of Cardiff!

I am interested in 'Also a Captain William Crossman, Ship Captain, and wife Jane Cameron' 
The Devon family are near to Plymouth and a couple of Williams who were named as mariners in marriage or children's baptisms. There is also the later Crossman Gilchrist marriage in 1847 Devonport Devon which I know is linked to the Devon family.

I have 1755 will for William Crossman born Tavistock of HMS York his sole beneficiary was his father Robert Crossman. The will was proved 1762.

Do you have a time frame for Capt William Crossman?

Thanks again for all your efforts - your eyes must be hurting!

My wife's father, James Hiscutt Crossman (1900 to 1992) was a direct descendant of Robert Crossman and she has other info re Robert

[Robert Robert]

My wife's cousin, Sir Douglas Peter Crossman, is also a direct descendant of Robert Crossman of Holy Island.  The info you have given in your PM to me clearly shows there is  link.  Sir Douglas produced a quite detailed genealogy and we have a copy.  There are references to Devon and to the Mann, Crossman and Paulin brewery and to a William marrying Margaret Gilchrist in Douglas's efforts.  We have some photos of Robert and Sarah's graves on Holy Island.  If you care to give me your address via a PM, I can send you a photocopy of Douglas's material - it runs to about 28 pages (A5).  Bob

[Hiscutt]

Robert Crossman was my 2nd great grandfather and my mother was Cecille Francis Crossman whose father was James Hiscutt Crossman b. 1862.  His father was also James Hiscutt Crossman b. 1833. His father was Robert Crossman b.1803. I have 12 children listed for Robert.
I have a fair amount of details on the Crossman family and there is also a link to Sir Hugh Tweedy (Admiral).