Robert Crossman 1804 Holy Island / Durham

[Hemmum]

Hi Roots Chatters
I wonder if anyone can help.
I am trying to find out more about Robert and in particular his baptism and the marriage of his parents.

Robert’s son was a partner in the brewing firm Crossman, Mann and Paulin. Years ago I was told there was a family connection although my Crossman family come from Devon but Robert’s father was in the Royal Artillery which could be a reason that the family were in the Durham area. Many of the Devon Crossmans were in the R.A.

From the census Robert Crossman says he was born in 1804 in either Durham or Holy Island.

On the 1841 census Robert Crossman is a Brewer (head) with his family living Berwick Upon Tweed Northumberland Dist 4.  The household also contains William Crossman born 1759 not born the census county who I assume was his father.

From Chelsea Pensioners records I found a William Crossman of Berwick upon Tweed born abt 1750 Berwick upon Tweed, a Gunner of Invd Batt Royal Regt of Artillery -Attested 1.1.1773 aged 23.

Robert Crossman had 7 children born in the Durham area between 1833 and 1844. James 1833 Durham, Margaret 1834 Tweedmouth, Edmund/Edward 1836 Durham, Robert 1837 Tweed Berwickshire , Eliza (strangely an unmarried PRATT) 1841 Berwick on Tweed, Alexander 1843 Berwick on Tweed, Eliza 1845.

Who were Robert Crossman 1804 parents? Were they linked to Devon or is this a totally separate family??

Unfortunately my geographical knowledge and resources for this area are virtually nil so any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Regards and thanks

[stanmapstone]

The parish of Holy Island was a detached part of County Durham at that time. Under the Counties (Detached Parts) Act 1844 there were three detached part of the bishopric of Durham, 'Norhamshire' (also known as North Durham) 'Islandshire', and 'Bedlingtonshire' that were "henceforth" to form part of the county of Northumberland. 'Islandshire' was a region centred around Lindisfarne or Holy Island, including many villages on the mainland. It was historically associated with the Bishop of Durham, and was an exclave of the traditional county of Durham.

Stan

[Lincslass]

Looking at the pension records, William b 1750 was born in Berwick and discharged at Holy Island after serving 48 years. Trade - Taylor.

The William on the 1841 census appears to be buried in March 1843 aged 84 at Holy Island.

There is a baptism on Familysearch for a Robert Crossman 21st Aug 1803 to a William Crossman and Margaret Gilchrist, Northumberland. IMO The William with Robert in 1841 should, by rights, be his father, probably the one who died in 1843 and it may well be the baptism mentioned.

Family search has Durham bishops transcripts to view by image which may give more detail, if it is transcribed.

[Hemmum]

Thank you both for your help.

The name Gilchrist certainly rings bells! Maybe a coincident but 'my' Robert's son John born 11 Oct 1846 in Tavistock (his birth reg cannot be found) married an Emma Victoria GILCHRIST.

If William Crossman (there are so many) and Margaret had other children I may have a time frame for the marriage.

The record you mention from the IGI is extracted (which I do not really trust). I could not see a batch number for Holy Island or Lindisfarne. Are there any Parish transcriptions available. (I cannot get to a centre).

I have found Roberts will but not his obituary which may help with his parents.

[Lincslass]

On the family search site a film number is posted. I too do not trust submitted entries.

The IGI has 6 children to William and Margaret, all from the same film, 1797 to 1803, though four of the children ar baptised in two batches.

The IGI also has marriages from film of Holy Island, using the Hugh Wallis site.

[2zpool]

Holy Island baptism:

Robert Crossman born 21 Aug 1803, baptised 4 Sep 1803 4th son of William Crossman, gunner, native of Berwick by his wife Margaret Gilchrist native of Tweedmouth

The son Alexander, born at Tweedmouth to William and Margaret Crossman.  Born 30 Dec 1797  written that this child was baptised by a Presbyterian minister

There were 2 sets of twins--Rachel and Sarah, born 20 Nov 1798, baptised Christmas 1798 3rd and 4th daur of William and Margaret then the rest was the samr as the above

James and Margaret, 3rd son, fifth daur.  born 29 Apr 1800, baptised 30 Apr 1801. Says James died the same day  and Margaret on the 15th

There is a Margaret Crossman burial 12 Mar 1819,  on Holy Island, age 58

Janis

[2zpool]

Baptisms Berwick Hide Hill Low Meeting House (Presbyterian)

Robert Crossman born 31 Mar 1837, baptised 2 May 1837 son of Robert, brewer, by his wife Sarah Douglas

Sarah Emma Crossman born 29 Apr 1839, baptised 4 June 1839 same parental information

Maria Crossman born 10 Jan 1841, baptised 25 Feb 1841, same

Janis

[Hemmum]

Dear Janis
Thank you so, so much!
Lots to digest here!
Multiple births are a big marker in 'my' Crossman family.
Twins in partically very generation - except me - but my daughter had triplets!
My Crossmans are also NC so perhaps this may also be relevant.
There is a long way to go and I am trying not too excited !!!

Can you tel me the source of the baptisms you found?
Can we possibly find the marriage of William Crossman and Margaret Gilchrist?
Who were Margaret Gilchrist born about 1761 Tweedmouth parents?

Is this a 'wild goose chase' I do hope not!

[2zpool]

Tweedmouth baptisms:

James Hiscutt Crossman, born 6 Jan 1833, baptised 24 Mar 1834, along with a sister Margaret born 13 Feb 1834 children of Robert and Sarah Crossman, manager in Tweedmouth brewery, of Tweedmouth

I am called by some (well one in particular) the fiche lady.  I looked them up in my collection from various parishes and nonconform registers

Janis