Hi Osprey,
Thank you so much for the web details you have sent to me in reply to my Hathway query - and for checking out the letters on the census - all very helpful.
No, I don`t have birth certs for any of them and as you have suggested, I will get Edwins as that might be the clue I am looking for..........I am learning that lateral thinking is the name of this game!!
Again, thank you for your help, very much appreciated.
kwotto