MIs in DUNFERMLINE Lays Road Cemetery

[angusg]

Hi Norrie,
I have a picture of that one I took myself some years ago.
date of death was 1920 I believe.

I'm afraid my enquire was a general one regarding Guthries.

Jane Ainslie GUTHRIE was one of a whole raft of Guthrie's living in Lassodie and Kelty.
her father & mother
Charles GUTHRIE d 1922and wife Rachael YOUNG d 1941 are buried Beath
I photoed on the same day in 2007.
Charles GUTHRIE's father was William GUTHRIE d 1915 at 167 Waverley St, Lachore,
his wife Catherine GLASGOW died 1890, Old Rows, Lassoddie.
I do not know where they are buried.

Any help appreciated.

Yours Aye,
Angus

[jane40]

Hi,
Just joined the site.
Would you have any headstones for the name Struth
thanks
jane

[NorrieG]

Hi Jane only 2 Struths in index both in Dunfermline Cemetery
2255   Agnes STRUTH  died 5.10.1943 age 42
   husband William F BROWN died 30.6.1982 age 81

903   to the memory of William DAVIDSON died 19.12.1890? age 68
                daughter Harriet died 2.10.1862 age12
                 daughter Catherine died 12.8.1876 age 24
                 Daughter Elizabeth died 10.12.1877 age 29?
                 Son Thomas died 28.12.1894 age 29
                 Widow of above Mary STRUTH died 12.5.1924 age 77
                 Grandson William Davidson HARROWER who was
                 Drowned at sea 20.5.1999? age 20 buried in USA

Norrie

[NorrieG]

Hi Angus  these are the Gutheries in Lochgelly & Ballingry Cemeteries
I have added dates, do you reconize  any names their

Ballingry     128   Andrew Guthrie   Margaret Cunningham
         Died 1925 age 35   died 1967? Age 72
Ballingry         121   John   Guthrie   Mary  Guthrie
         Died 1983 age 83   died 1996? Age 95
Lochgelly   172   John Penman Guthrie   Margaret Dougall
         Died 1934 age 54   1949 age 72
Lochgelly   76   Peter   Guthrie   Margaret  Penman
         Died 1893 age 53   died 1907 age 65
Lochgelly   164   William  Guthrie   Christina  Penman
         Died 1926 age 76   died 1945 age 94
Lochgelly   176   Robert   Archibald   Janet Penman   Guthrie
         Died 1950 age 75   died 1927 age 53
Lochhgelly   220   Robert   McGregor   Margaret Guthrie
         Died 1943 age 77   died 1942 age 72
Lochgelly   859   James   Thom      Margaret Christie Guthrie
         Died 1948 age 83   died 1943 age 75

Norrie

[twinpea]

Hello, I am looking for my ancestors and they are very hard to find.  They lived in Dunfermline Scotland when his wife died.  My ancestor's last name is Murray but his first name is hard to read on the census.  I read it as Rofs (or Ross?).  His wife died between the years 1844 and 1851.  I do not know her name and because of that, I cannot find any records of any kind since the husband appears on a census only once in 1851.  (I believe they were from Ireland originally).  One of the sons' name was William (my great grandfather) who came to Canada in the mid-1860's.  I know this is grasping at straws but would you have a record for a woman who was married to a Murray who died in Dunfermline, Scotland between the years 1844 and 1851?  If she was her husband's age, she would have been born around 1815 +/- a few years. 

- Woman died between 1844 and 1851.  Married name was Murray.   
- She was born around 1815 +/- a few years
- Husband's last name was Murray.  First name maybe Rofs or Ross but not sure.
- Had a son named William (Murray) who was born around 1840.  There may be more children.

I know that this is all very vague but it's all I have.  If you have any information about this family, please let me know.  It would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much.
Zoe

[NorrieG]

Hi Zoe this is the Family in 1851 Census Dunfermline
No Wife there but its is Ross.
Not in Dunfermline in 1861 Census

Piece: SCT1851/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
Folio: 0 Page: 12 Schedule: 17
Address: 8 Bruce Street

    Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   
    MURRAY   Ross   Head   W   M   36   Hawker Of Stoneware    Ireland - -       
    MURRAY   Mary A.   Dau   -   F   19       Ireland - -       
    MURRAY   Hugh   Son   -   M   16       Ireland - -       
    MURRAY   William   Son   -   M   12       Ireland - -       
    MURRAY   Rachal   Dau   -   F   6       Fife - Dunfermline

These could be some of the Children in 1881 Census

1881 census    Dwelling:   11 New Row
   Census Place:   Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203520     GRO Ref    Volume 424    EnumDist 8    Page 9
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Rachel M. DAVIE   W   37    F   Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder (Head)
   Occ:   Worker In Rag Store
James MURRAY       1    M   Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder Son

1881 Census   Dwelling:   12 Panmure Street
   Census Place:   Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203474     GRO Ref    Volume 272    EnumDist 8    Page 34
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Mary Ann MURRAY   W   50    F   Ireland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   ((Housekeeper))
William MURRAY   U   23    M   Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Shoemaker
Andrew MURRAY   U   19    M   Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Post Office Clerk
Edward H. MURRAY   U   16    M   Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Shoemaker
Francis J. MURRAY       9    M   Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar     

Could not find a death for Ross on Scotland Peoples site, pay to view site
After 1855
You could look for a death for Rachel & Mary Ann  this would give the parents names.
No Headstones in my index for Ross Murray

Norrie

[twinpea]

Thank you so much, Norrie.  That will give me much more to work on.  I appreciate your help. 

[twinpea]

Norrie, may I ask one more question?  I noticed that both Mary Ann and Rachel (above) are widowed.  One carries her maiden name (Murray) and the other carries her married name.  But both of them named their children "Murray" as the children's surname.  Was/is that common in Scotland to use the maiden name for the children's surname?

[NorrieG]

Hi Zoe   remember I said this could be them in 1881 Census

the IGI gives the parents of the Children in the 1881 Census
With Mary Ann as 
 
Father: James Murray, Mother: Margaret Murray

1. WILLIAM MURRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAR 1857 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
 
 2. PETER MURRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 MAY 1860 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
 
 3. ANDREW MURRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 DEC 1861 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
 
 4. EDWARD HUGH MURRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 DEC 1864 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
 
 5. FRANCIS JOHN MURRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 15 SEP 1871 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland

Could this James Murray be the brother of Mary Ann ?
You would  be better getting the death Certificate for Mary Ann
From Scotlands People

James MURRAY       1    M   Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder Son
I checked the birth Certificate and James was Illegitimate
no father given

Norrie