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1811/21 Hackney Silk/Crape workers look up
« on: Monday 06 June 11 19:52 BST (UK) »
I'm interested in knowing if anyone has access to the 1811 Hackney census returns. In particular I'd like to know the names/occupations of those who were listed adjacent to Leny Smith who owned the silk and crape mills at Hackney Wick, or the names of any others in the parish whose occupations indicate a connection to the crape industry in particular.

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Luke

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Re: 1811/21 Hackney Silk/Crape workers look up
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 June 11 20:34 BST (UK) »
Plenty of information on Leny Smith and his mill on line.

Holden's Directory 1811 L.Smith Crape manuf. 6 Paternoster Row.

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Re: 1811/21 Hackney Silk/Crape workers look up
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 June 11 20:43 BST (UK) »
Yes, besides the Hackney Wick mills he had a London address at Paternoster Row near St Pauls from the 1790s. There was also a crape weaving mill at Taunton from 1795.

He went out of business in the late 1820s, but one former employee may have been John Baylis who set up Baylis and Grout with another Hackney resident, Joseph Grout, in about 1807.

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Re: 1811/21 Hackney Silk/Crape workers look up
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 07:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Taken from the guide to censuses and civil registration at the top of the two main London and Middlesex boards.

'The first four censuses were essentially head counts which named just the head of household.
The 1801 census provide information on the number of inhabited and uninhabited houses in the parish and how many families occupied them. A similar format was followed for the censuses of 1811, 1821 and 1831. In 1821 a question relating to age was added and in 1831 a question on occupations.'



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Re: 1811/21 Hackney Silk/Crape workers look up
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 June 11 21:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda -

Apparently the parish copies of these early census returns survive for Hackney which give some of this extra information.

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 June 11 06:52 BST (UK) »
Hi

From Hackney Archives website

'Census
P/J/Misc P/J/CW 124
Parish copies of the census 1811, 1821 and 1831.
Personal name indexes of the 1811 and 1821 census have been published by the East of London Family History Society.'

If you look at a census page for the national surviving C19th censuses the heading in the top left corner is 'parish or township of', followed by 'ecclesiastical district of'. Pre 1841 the survival of the national census is very variable with only some parishes in some areas surviving. They are held in local archives. From 1841 onwards most survive.

If you click on these websites you will see an example of the 1801 and the 1821 census.

http://www.nwkfhs.org.uk/dartfordcensus.htm

This example for Hendon in 1821 is giving a little more information on some occupations (self-employed) not just a tally with the usual catch all for the rest - labourer. Normally it should just be a generally tally until the 1831 census as in the Dartford example given above.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/census-sources/sample-1821-hendon-census-london.html

From a reply for another post about Hackney censuses on Rootschat the early Hackney censuses are giving some extra details on occupation similar to the Hendon census possibly even for anyone defined as 'labourer'.


'1821
Taplin Will Orchard St  Well St  brushmaker 6 males 4 females'




As most of the workers at the Hackney crepe factory were women they are far less likely to be heads of household so will just be shown as a tally number.

'Local expertise perhaps contributed to the choice of Hackney Wick for a factory by Leny Smith, who from 1787 was leased 31 a.with a tobacco or snuff mill, previously a fullingmill, and who had a London office by 1791. Described as a silk throwster and later as a crepe manufacturer,  he or his son Leny Deighton Smith was the country's largest producer in1811, with a mainly female workforce of 600-700 at Hackney Wick'

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22708


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Valda
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