two ladies - dating and restoring please

[Treetotal]

I couldn't have put it better myself Terry..It looks like the images of these two ladies have been taken from a larger group photo to create this shot.
Just my opinion...The whole composition felt wrong when I was restoring it.
Carol

[terry h]

Hi Carol,

 I was restoring as well and I thought this just ain't right, the angle was all wrong,  could be what you are thinking though???

Terry

[Treetotal]

Hi Terry...Yes it does feel wrong doesn't it...I think others have been painted out of the photo.
Carol

[CelticMom]

yes I wondered that myself, the coloured background is definately blacking out whatever was behind the ladies.

I wonder why that would be done?

Any ideas of date of photo and ages of women? to enable me to try and identify who they are.

[jim1]

What an odd looking photo.
An 1850's ambrotype.Could be any part of that decade from 1851 on.
The young woman is wearing a Dolman,a cape with slits in for the arms.You can just detect the white part of her Bertha along the arm of the older lady.
It looks like at some later stage part of the backing has been replaced with some hand tinting.Quite often the backs of these are dark & it may have been done to bring out the subjects.Very amateurish.
The photo is the right way round as you can see from the way the Dolman's buttoned.
I believe some photographers used a corrective process to reverse this type of photo although I've no evidence.
Sometimes women slipped their wedding ring onto the right hand to give the impression it was on the left.
I think the latter half of the decade for a date.
A lovely photo all the same.

jim

[terry h]

One from me

Terry

[jim1]

Probably looked something like this originally.

jim

[CelticMom]

What an odd looking photo.
An 1850's ambrotype.Could be any part of that decade from 1851 on.
The young woman is wearing a Dolman,a cape with slits in for the arms.You can just detect the white part of her Bertha along the arm of the older lady.
It looks like at some later stage part of the backing has been replaced with some hand tinting.Quite often the backs of these are dark & it may have been done to bring out the subjects.Very amateurish.
The photo is the right way round as you can see from the way the Dolman's buttoned.
I believe some photographers used a corrective process to reverse this type of photo although I've no evidence.
Sometimes women slipped their wedding ring onto the right hand to give the impression it was on the left.
I think the latter half of the decade for a date.
A lovely photo all the same.

jim

thanks for the informative reply Jim, most helpful. It will hopefully help me identify the two ladies. Do you think the hand on shoulder belongs to someone else blacked out?

Does anyone have any idea on the ages of the two ladies?

thank you Terry for another beautiful restoration and thank you to everyone else for their equally beautiful ones.

[CelticMom]

Probably looked something like this originally.

jim

Jim that is the exact kind of frame it was in, completely destroyed though unfortunately  , it had completely shattered into an almost powder and unsaveable apart from the plate.