Thank you very much guys.
This whole extended family has been very difficult to trace.
The original family was Smith. Then Mary Smith of Redditch, already mother to Maryann born 1832 and Thomas born 1840 and Joseph Smith born 1843, ( father was not home on the night of 1841 census and never found by me on searching),married in 1849 to Thomas Holyoake also of Redditch, in Gloucester. In 1848 before that marriage took place, Thomas and Joseph Smith were baptised and became Thomas Holyoake Smith and Joseph Holyoake Smith.
2 sons born to Mary and Thomas Holyoake. Francis Goodrick Holyoake b.1849 and George Lyttelton Holyoake b.1853.
One yr later Joseph Holyoake Smith Died at Buckenhill. Can't find any family there.
The next yr mother Mary died. 2 yrs following father Thomas Holyoake died. Leaving alive - MaryAnn Smith Holyoake,who married Charles Field -Thomas Smith Holyoake who came to Australia about 1866( we have no record of this in immigration files nor of his marriage to Julia Gliddon b. 1844 Middlesex) -Francis Goodrick Holyoake -George Lyttelton Holyoake.
The two little boys seem to have been stuck in school.
In 1872 Thomas Smith Holyoake is killed in a fight whilst working as a travelling Hawker.He is my great great grandfather.
Francis Goodrick Holyoake b.1849 came to Australia after marrying. Set up chemist shop in Adelaide.
He died 2 yrs after arriving- about 1878.
Only one left alive is George Lyttelton Holyoake. His little boy George died in infancy. Emma survived as shown by your research and Francis, aka Frank, ends up living in Battersea Rise Surrey with his widowed father.
There were a couple of Frank G Holyoakes in the various census records around 1900.
I haven't been able to work out which may have been him.
I'd be happy to have you taking a look at the family.
biggest question -who was the Smith boys Dad. Where was he on the night of the 1841 census.
The only information I ever had was that Thomas Smith Holyoake had something to do with Holyoake needles (sold in Aust for a long time). and that Thomas Smith Holyoake named a child Edith Goodricke Holyoake. The rest has taken some work.!!!
I really appreciate what you have already done for me here.
You have shown me really that Frank Holyoake b.1879 is a dead end, and male family may end with him.
Fortunately the rest of my other families have been fairly straight forward.
One other conundrum here.
Why were these Holyoakes using middle names for children even half way round the world, that belong to that Studley Castle family.
If you can shed light on English customs that might have caused this I'd like to hear about them .
Wow - thats a lot of information in one go isn't it?
Appreciate your help even if it ends here.
regards
Croquet Julie
