James INGARFILL - Whitechapel

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Hoxton St John

1 Sept 1845
George Thomas Elson, of full age, single man, plasterer of Hoxton Town, s George Thomas Elson (deceased) plasterer
Sarah Stiles, of full age, single woman, of Hoxton Town, d William Stiles, Ivory Turner
both illiterate
witnesses: William Stiles, Elizabeth George, both illiterate.

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1891 Census
3 Rupert Street, Goodman's Fields, Whitechapel
Eliza Ingerfill Head Widow 44, charwoman born Hoxton
Emma Ingerfill, dau, 19, waitress, born Whitechapel
George Ingerfill, son, 14, ?layer in Printers?, born Spitalfields
Hetty Ingerfill, dau, 6, born Spitalfields

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Hi all,

Thanks again for all the info - it certainly is very confusing!

Nicola - all the Elson stuff is great - thank you!

Regards, Emma

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Not sure if this is relevant:

St Jude Bethnal Green, 25th December 1865

William Lobb, 20, Bachelor, Machine ??ler, Bethnal Green, s John Lobb, ?? Maker
Eliza Elson, 18, Spinster, Bethnal Green, d George Thomas Elson, Plasterer

Eliza was illiterate

Witnesses were William Marshall and Jane Marshall (Illiterate)

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Interesting, does seem to be the same Eliza Elson and look likely she never married James Ingarfill.

Bethnal Green St James the Great
30 Jan 1870
John Alfred Lobb (born 13 Nov 1869) and William George Lobb (born 23 Jun 1866) baptised to William and Eliza of 107 Gossett Street, Machine Ruler

Shoreditch St James Curtain Road
4 Feb 1873
Emma Amy Lobb (born 30 Oct 1872) baptised to William and Eliza of 8 Craven Street, Machine Ruler

Perhaps that's the Emma Ingerfill with Eliza on the 1891 census, would definately be the correct age.  There is a marriage of an Emma Amy Lobb in Kensington Registration District in 1899.

Dalston Holy Trinity
25 Dec 1897
William Lobb 51 Widower Ruler of 4 Woodlands Street, s John (deceased) (profession unreadable)
Julia Saunders 40 Single Woman of same address, d John (deceased) Mill Sawyer
both literate, the W and L in the signature are similar to the earlier marriage of William Lobb and Eliza Elson
Witnesses - James Edward Dean, Annie Dean

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1881 Census
25 Wick Road, Hackney
William Lobb 36 Stationers Assistant, born Mile End
Julia Lobb 29 born Hackney
William George Lobb 14 Stationers Assistant born Bethnal Green
Louisa Lobb 13 General Servant born Bethnal Green
Lydia J Lobb 4 born Hackney

1891 Census
108 Shackwell Lane, Hackney
William Lobb 44 Account Book Binder born Mile End
Julia Lobb 39 born Hackney
Lydia J J Lobb 14 Milliners Assistant born Hackney
Jessie A Lobb 9 Scholar born Hackney
Florence B Lobb 4 Scholar born Hackney
John W Lobb 10 mths born Hackney

1901 Census
16 Ridley Road, Dalston
Julia Lobb Boarder Married 47 Domestic Cook born Hackney
Jessie Lobb Boarder Single 18 Envelope Folder born Hackney

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1871 Census
107 Gossett St, Bethnal Green
William Lobb Head 26 Machine Ruler born Bethnal Green
Eliza Lobb Wife 24 born Bethnal Green
William Lobb Son 4 born Bethnal Green
Louisa Lobb Dau 3 born Bethnal Green
John A Lobb Son 1 born Bethnal Green

1861 Census
John Lobb Head 45 Silk Weaver born Hoxton
Louisa Lobb Wife 45 born Limehouse
John Lobb Son 20 Stationer born Mile End New Town
Joseph Lobb Son 17 Stationer born Mile End New Town
William Lobb Son 16 Stationer born Mile End New Town
James Lobb Son 8 Scholar born Bethnal Green

Looks likely that's the correct William Lobb, he and Eliza appear to have gone their separate ways in the early 1870s and he didn't marry Julia until 1897 ....

There's a baptism at Dalston St Mark
13 Jun 1886
Florence Beatrice Lobb (born 31 May 1886) baptised to William and Julia Lobb, machanic?, of 3 Castle Street, Kingsland

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Emma

There are a couple of trees on ancestry for William and Julia Lobb, but they don't know her maiden name and inaccurately say William was son of a William and Mary born in Shoreditch.

Nicola

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Thank you so much for all your hard work!  It really bugs me when they do this...can't they have just got married the once and stuck with it?!

I'm still at a loss about James Ingarfill though!

Regards, Emma