Australian Passenger List Look Up 1876-77

[Dundee]

You have me confused now.  Do I have the wrong family in 1861?

Thomas JUDGE, 34, watchmaker, born Hampstead, Mdx
Elizb, 29, born City
Thomas, 9, born Hornsey
Mary, 7, born Whetstone
Emily, 5, born Whetstone
Catherine, 1, born Hornsey

The births in 1851 and 1860 are for the children named Thomas and Catherine Elizabeth.

Debra 

[cando]

Marriage
CARR Paul 27 years  Status Single  Father Luke CARR
JUDGE Catherine Elizabeth  18 years  Status Single  Father Thomas JUDGE
9 May 1877
At Registry Office Adelaide     Ade 111/494

No births registered to Paul CARR and Catherine Elizabeth JUDGE on the SA Indexes.

No deaths to 1915 for Paul CARR or Catherine Elizabeth CARR on SA indexes.

There are no other CARR marriages to 1916 with father Luke on the SA Marriage Index.

There are no births registered in SA with father Luke CARR.

Cando

[Dundee]

A Mary Jane JUDGE married Henry WELLER in 1889 at Shoreditch but her father was John JUDGE, a florist.  She might be the one you found living with Jane WELLER.  She was aged 35 when she married.

Debra 

[Mystic Manaia]

Sorry, Debra.  You have the right family.  I got confused, with Thomas, who is Catherine's father and also it is her brother's name.  So I think the births you found for Mary Jane and Emily are the right ones.  
Thanks for checking up on the Jane Weller connection.  So that looks like another dead end.  I was feeling quite hopeful.    Thanks for checking.

Thanks Cando for checking on the Paul Carr connection.  I definitely know that my Catherine Elizabeth Stone (nee Judge) died in 13 July 1890 in Petersham, N.S.W. I have her death certificate.

I think there must be two Catherine Judge's, both who came to Australia around the same time.

Lorna      

[andycand]

think there must be two Catherine Judge's, both who came to Australia around the same time.

Hi Lorna

I wouldn't rule them out being the same person. Catherine Elizabeth Judge is not exactly a common name, You also have to consider the ages and fathers name are the same.

In fact FreeBMD only has 2 births of that name in the whole of England & Wales between 1837 and 1915, one in 1860 and one in 1873.

It might be worth checking coastal shipping records either leaving Adelaide or arriving Sydney to see if you can find her.

Andy

[cando]

I think there must be two Catherine Judge's, both who came to Australia around the same time.

I suppose you could compare the signatures on the two marriage certs just to be sure.  I am not sure if the SA Registry transcribe or photocopy the originals from that era.

Just to keep us on our toes and confuse us.  Strange that I can find nothing more on the couple who married in SA.  I did note a Paul CARR, crew on some of the coastal vessels in Aus in the period but of course no way of knowing if he is the same man who married Cath E JUDGE in Adelaide.

I have looked search for a Catherine PARR or JUDGE arriving Sydney as the lists on a subscription website include the arrival coastal ships, some with passengers and some just cargo. My grandfather, a marine engineer, on coastal vessels between Qld and Fremantle, arrived in NSW as an unassisted immigrant over 30 times in 9 years

Cando

[Mystic Manaia]

Hi Cando,
The marriage certificate for Catherine E. Judge and Benjamin George Stone  is all handwritten in the same handwriting, so it wouldn't be possible to compare handwriting with the marriage certificate to Paul Carr.

Lorna

[cando]

I haven't come across a marriage cert that wasn't signed by the parties to the marriage.  Was it a hand written copy provided by NSW bdm? 

Cando

[Mystic Manaia]

The copy was issued in 1995 and the stamp says Principal Registrar of Births, Death and Marriages, New South Wales. It is a certified copy furnished under Part V of the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages Act 1973.
It looks like it is a photo copy of the actual marriage entry in the church register.

Lorna