Wine / Graham Family

[Lucy2]

Hi Geah

Just to mention ...  if you're contemplating purchasing NSW, BMD records, then using an accredited transcription agent, is by far the easiest and cheapest method.   

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent

[I've used the services of the "last-listed" person on there, many times, and generally results have been e-mailed within a week.   It sure beats paying $ AUS 30 - odd.    ]

[Mk2_Zephyr]

Garrett and Catherine married in 1868 in NZ.

[Georgia Mitch]

Thank you, Lucy.  I will most certainly keep that in mind next time I'm looking for BDM records from NSW.

Cheers for that, Zephyr!

[Georgia Mitch]

Well this is a bit of a bummer - the marriage certificate for William Wine & Jane Munckton was on my desk when I got home earlier, but birthplace, age, parents names & father's occupation columns are all blank.

Only possible 'bright side' is that William was a widower, so perhaps a chance of finding his first marriage (wherever that may have been) and seeing if there were his birth place and parents names on there.

Georgia

[Janette]

Hi Georgia

This may be his first marriage but I don't see a death for Susannah

V18559 82/1855  WINE  WILLIAM to  DORY  SUSANNAH  QC 

Cheers Janette

[Beg Clonrode...]

the birthplace, age, parents names & father's occupation columns are all blank.

Hello Georgia...

So what information is actually on the marriage certificate.

Is the date and place/church of marriage there. Religion? Residence?

Do the suburbs of Redfern or Liverpool get a mention as they get mentioned a bit on FamilySearch.

Regards
Beg

[Georgia Mitch]

Hi Janette and Beg,

Date & Place of Marriage: 9th March 1868, Sydney
Name & Surname of parites: William Wine / Jane Munckton
Conjugal status: Widower / Spinster

Religion is Presbytarian.
Ocuupation is Milk man i think for William

Can't read all of it, and I'm not familiar with Sydney at all so i'll upload here for you to see. It doesn't look like there's Redfern or Liverpool anywhere though.

Georgia

[Beg Clonrode...]

Hi again...

Bourke Street (Surrey Hills) is mentioned in the 1866 funeral notice for Richard Henry WINE.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13132564

The funeral takes place two years before the marriage so either the child was born before the marriage or the name of William's first wife was also Jane

NSW BDM 3381/1865: WINE, Richard - father:WILLIAM - mother:JANE - district:REDFERN

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Palma Street for the location? It's in Darlinghurst and gets mentioned a few times in Trove. Nowadays Palmer Street. Runs parallel to Bourke Street (Darlinghurst) which a mile or so later becomes Bourke Street (Surry Hills)

Here's a snippet about the officiating minister, John McGibbon from http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/mcgibbon-john-4092

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A successful minister, he was liked by his congregation who by 1860 built and largely paid off a substantial stone church and manse in Palmer Street (Darlingurst).
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....nowadays most likely the C3 Church. I wonder if there is a church record for the marriage. Sort of like the Presbyterian church records in NZ. Maybe http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7388650

Regards
Beg

[Beg Clonrode...]

I wonder if there is a church record for the marriage. Sort of like the Presbyterian church records in NZ.

Hi again...

Debra on the Australian board has come up with the following.

She found a microfilm of the "Marriage Registers for the Palmer Street Presbyterian Church" covering the periods from 11 Mar 1856 - 13 Jan 1862 and from 6 Mar 1862 - 8 Mar 1882 (The Uniting Church is the post-1977 name for the Presbyterian Church in Australia)

Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG) 0167
http://catalogue.sag.org.au/fullRecord.jsp?recnoListAttr=recnoList&recno=42957


The microfilm is stored at the National Library of Australia in Canberra
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/272187?lookfor=presbyterian%200167&offset=1&max=1

and maybe (or maybe not) the NSW State Library


No guarantee that it will list the parents (or even the marriage itself) but you might try asking on the Australian board for a look-up if you run out of ideas.

Regards
Beg