Thanks for info so far.From somewhere I'd got Turner dying 23 March 1857 and being first burial at new Musbury churchwhich obviously doesn't tally with the 1852 on lancsbmd and the sale info.One of my ancestors was a gardener there as well as at several other properties in Lancs in his lifetime ending at The Laund in Baxenden.There is a tale in the Helmshore Historian Summer 1961 based on Haslingden Observer July 16 1927about Turner trusting one of his gardeners to take a watch for repair and then having the employeeattacked to see if he would protect the goods. Would obviously like this to be my ancestor but have read both these articles and no name given.Mike