COMPLETED - 1891 Census - GIBBINS look-up please - COMPLETED

[Mort29]

No, I dont think it is - see previous update.

and the Eleanor Clemetson (widow) was in Kent in 1881, married to a James .... cant see any real link 

[katyduddridge]

Oh boo was getting all excited there for a minute!

How likely do you think it is that people could actually be missed out? If they were camping in a field with the circus & no-one knew they were there?

Have found Mary Mewburn (Margaret's mother) in 1881, husband absent & no sign of Margaret.

[Mort29]

A lot are missing on the census

frequently they are just mistranscribed, sometimes switch forenames around, +/-5 years age differences, PoB stated as early domicile, under step-parents name - but often just missed ....

[katyduddridge]

Well, grr, didn't those census takers back then realise how much we'd rely on them?!

So, after thinking yesterday I was finally going to make a breakthrough with this line, I appear to be stuck again.

Hopefully the person I'm waiting to reply to my email will get back to me with further info.

If I find anything else out, I'll try and remember to pop back

(Think I'm meant to move this to 'completed' now but not sure how to do that?) - figured it out

[Firefighter]

Hi Katy
Just replied to your e-mail
Victor's sister Edith Lisbourne Gibbons was my grandma
But I am as stuck as you over the JWC Gibbons
HOWEVER I think that the middle name of Lisbourne may be a clue to further family
Ian

[Firefighter]

Just remembered something
An Aunt - daughter of Edith told me that Ernest had appeared at their house (probably about 1915) asking for money as he was pennyless and they told him to go away. If this is true it spoils the story of being killed by lions. Anyway, if they were in a circus I doubt that they would live at addresses in towns, more likely in a caravan.
I was also told that he took his stage name (John William Cove) from a famous American actor.

[Mort29]

did you find Edith L in any census?

was she the oldest child?

Does she marry Caddow or Hudson in 1908?

[Mort29]

Katy - did you see this Ernest & Carmen (stage name?) in the 1901?

RG13/Piece: 3558 Folio: 109 Page: 13 - Wigan  @ 19, Darlington Street.

Visitors in the Addis Household ... both Music Hall Artistes?? / Vocalists.
 
Ernest Gibbins Married 36 born Leicester
Carman Gibbins Married 32 London St Lukes



PS. Looking back at that 1881, his PoB IS Leicester (when you look closely) - and he can be found in 1871 (Parents William & Sarah, née Davenport, from Ratby), as can his Birth Index entry in Leic District in 1863...

In the 1891 census of Leicester, St Mary, William & Sarah, have a Grandson William c1886, born Stockton on Tees with them ....  RG12/Piece: 2536 Folio 105 Page 10 - I note that Edith L was born up in Darlington District ...

No luck with more grandchildren in 1901 - Widow Sarah J Gibbins is with her married dau Florence ....
RG13/Piece: 3007 Folio: 68 Page: 3 - Leicester St Mary

So where did one leave one's troublesome kids when on the road? 

[katyduddridge]

Wow!

I've spent years stuck on Victor and got further in the last few days than in all those years.

I will get looking at all those bits of info now (if all the kids stay asleep for me, I could do with farming them out when I want to concentrate on family tree!!) kt