COMPLETED - 1891 Census - GIBBINS look-up please - COMPLETED

[katyduddridge]

Hi I wonder if anyone is able to check the 1891 census for Hastings for a family for me?

They are living at 82 Stonefield Road, St Mary in the Castle in February 1890 but I can't find them on ancestry in the 1891 census.

(I have tried to see if there is anyway to search myself online but can't) but have found the relevant references for that street:
RG 12/761   55-59, 72-80
RG 12/762   127-131
if that's any help?

The family is:

John William Cove GIBBINS b. approx 1860
Margaret Hannah (nee Mewburn) b. unknown
Victor Arthur b.1890

They may have moved out of Sussex as he was an 'actor' (which I take to mean could be a fairly moveable kind of career?) but John was living in Hastings in 1881 so I'm hopeful.

Thanks, Katy

[Mort29]

do you have them in a later census so that PoBs etc can be tried in 1891?

[katyduddridge]

No they disappear

It's been a brick wall until yesterday when I looked up Victor in the 1911 census.

As I've been looking for a Victor GibbOns with a father called Ernest (from his marr cert) I was stuck as he doesn't exist!

In 1911 he calls himself GibbOns but born in Hastings which led me to Victor GibbIns & I already had his birth cert (some over-enthusiastic ordering years ago when I was just guessing who he could be!) which gives his parents. On Victor's marriage cert he gives his father as Ernest GIBBONS (deceased) Actor.

His birth cert gives John William Cove GibbIns also an actor. (and I have found someone - waiting for reply - whose grandmother's birth cert gave this man's name and yet she also believed her father was called Ernest. So John or Ernest could have been his stage name?).

[katyduddridge]

Oh but I did forget that I found John in 1881 when he gives his birthplace as Leicester (though it's transcribed as Lancaster) and he's 20 hence approx DoB of 1860/1.

[Ladyhawk]

They are living at 82 Stonefield Road, St Mary in the Castle in February 1890 but I can't find them on ancestry in the 1891 census.

Checked this address on 1891 census 82, Stonefield Road, Hastings
RG12 Piece:762 Folio:130 Page:52   

Sorry no GIBBONS, only Parsons & Tichband family

[Mort29]

ah, the Ernest etc may help - I also thought it was Lancaster PoB in the 1881 census ....

Suspect that Margaret Hannah Mewburn may be seen in 1871 as Mewbourn c1863, Stockton - altho she also disappers by 1881 

Comparing the Census with FreeBMD's list of Victors born and died between 1889 and 1891, doesnt throw up any anomalies  - apart from a Victor Watson* missing from the BMD Index, your man is the only one missing from the 1891 census  ... suggesting he's totally missing, or not called Victor     The list of Arthurs is a bit longer ....



*Shown as a Grandson of the Standen family in Guestling - cant see his BMD entry anywhere in Sussex....

[katyduddridge]

Ladyhawk - thank you. I had to look them up myself just to see the address (!) but no you are right, they must have moved on, boo.

Mort29 - do you think it's Lancaster then? Not that it massively affects anything really as it's not like i have 2 choices of John's I'm fighting between!
Thanks so much for your efforts, that Margaret Hannah does look likely, esp as she's listed as MEWBURN in bmd born in Stockton.

(off to look at a map now as I have no real idea where these places are!)

kt:)

[Mort29]

The only 'strange' Arthur is this chap shown as GILLIM, a visitor to the Stevens Household in Hastings, St Mary in the Castle .... he's 10 months old ...

RG12/Piece: 762 Folio 12 Page 17


Who may be this lad   

Births Jun 1890   
Gillham  Arthur George     Hastings  2b 22

[katyduddridge]

Wow...could that be him? It could be Gibbins.....

The story goes that the parents were killed by the lions (not so great at their lion-taming job then?!) and orphan Victor signed up to the army as a young boy.

Hmm...dinner is calling but I'll be back to think some more