Frances Beatrice WHITTICOMBE

[Tarzan]

Hello. Thank you any help wil be wonderful searching this. Who are you connected to? She is or was my Grandmother.

[AussiegalRae]

A quick family tree.
Frances Beatrice Whitticombe mother of Lindsay Gordon [Samuel] Clarke, father of Isabel Nellie Frances who is my grandmother.
She is now 90 but might have something in her family tree gear.
Frances was her grandmother so I guess you two would be cousins.

[Tarzan]

Okay .Yes she is my cousin. We are all still trying to solve all this.
Are you related to Maurice then? Isabell's son.

[AussiegalRae]

That's my uncle.   My mother is his older sister.

I take it you've had him look at grandma's stuff then?

I probably can't do much more than that myself.

[Tarzan]

Yes that's right. Have to hope someone on this site can help.

[cando]

Frances was believed born on 29/6/1856or61 and died June 1935.

Ellen
No birth registration on SA indexes.  Six years is a fairly larger variation in dates of birth....have these been taken from her children's birth certificates?

Frances Beatrice Whitticomb married James Patrick Clarke on 23/5/1884 at Stathalbyn SA according to my grandmother's records.

Ellen

Details on children Birth Certificates  marriage has 2 different dates.
Sydney and Strathalbyn SA so obviously we think maybe never married 1882/83

Tarzan

There is no registration for this marriage on the Marriage index for South Australia. Do you have the certificate?

James Patrick Clarke was buried at Grantville in Victoria after his death on 9/5/1943.

Ellen
Wonder if this certificate has any useful information?

Death
CLARKE James Patrick
Father Clarke Edward  Mother Margaret CONNOR
At Wonthaggi   82 years  1943  Reg#18712

Australian Electoral Roll
1924 Mornington/Loch
CLARKE James Patrick  Loch  Labourer

1924  Flinders/Lang Lang
CLARKE Linsday Gordon  Almurta  Mail contractor
CLARKE Myrtle Annie  Almurta  HD

1931, 1936, 1937, 1942, 1943
CLARKE James Patrick  Almurta  Mailman
CLARKE Lindsay Gordon  Almurta  Mail contractor
CLARKE Myrtle Annie  Almurta  HD

James Clarke was mentioned at  Gisborne and she seemed to be with daughter at Lancefield (very close area)perhaps she lived with one of the other children but not with the husband.

Australian Electoral Roll
1909  Mernda/Gisborne
CLARKE Frances  Lancefield Junction  HD

1914 Corio/Gisborne
CLARKE Frances   Lancefield Junction  HD
CLARKE James Patrick  Bolinda Vale  Labourer
CLARKE Lindsay  Lancefield Junction  Stockman

She seemed to go off the radar around 1919 when son Charles died.no idea where she was after that.

I wonder if she was in NSW....

Marriage
15031/1919    
CLARKE Lindsay G
CRAYTHORN Myrtle
District Narrandera

daughter married 1921

Is this the marriage but in 1920?

Marriage
CLARKE  Alice Marion
NEILL James Francis
1920  Reg#10190

Australian Electoral Roll
1924, 1931
NEILL Alice Marion 33 Ulupna Road, Caulfield East  HD
NEILL James Francis 33 Ulupna Road, Caulfied East  Assistant

Alice is the only NEILL on the addresses on electoral roll in 1936, 1937 at 6 Selworthy Ave, Oakleigh South and in 1942, 1949 and 1954 at  32 Andrew Street, Oakleigh.  There is no Frances CLARKE or WHITTAKER with her dau on the 1924, or 1931 electoral roll.

James Patrick CLARKE died in 1943 and Frances Beatrice WHITTAKER in 1935.    Was there a divorce from James Patrick CLARKE or do you think she lived with James WHITTAKER in a de facto relationship as there is no marriage on the Vic marriage index?

I notice there is a James WHITTAKER on the electoral roll Flinders/Loch living at St Helier, Labourer in 1919 and 1924.

Tarzan you mentioned that on Frances B's death certificate the last place of residence was Oakleigh - was the actual address given and if so, what was the address?

There are questions asked by Sue that are relevant and need addressing eg accuracy of the names of Frances Beatrice's parents.  Information on death certificates is often far from reliable, as has been proven in this case - marriage of Frances Beatrice to James WHITTAKER when she was 30 years of age....as Sue as mentioned she was still having children with James Patrick CLARKE when she was 30 years of age.

Cheers
Cando

[Tarzan]

 Have all those certificates  Cando Thankyou.They are all related to me. Frances just seems to have gone from records until that Death as Whittaker,
6 Selworthy Ave Oakleigh Victoria Usual residence Death for her states.
No idea no mention of divorce. Must have come back to daughter when elderly I am thinking.

[Tarzan]

Interesting that James Whittaker Loch.

[Dundee]

Hi AussiegalRae,

Frances Beatrice Whitticomb married James Patrick Clarke on 23/5/1884 at Stathalbyn SA according to my grandmother's records.
Frances was believed born on 29/6/1856or61 and died June 1935.

The problem is that there is no evidence of either of these events taking place in SA or Vic.  There are very few people with this name, and only one family in SA that I can see named WIDDECOMBE.

It would be interesting to find out if your grandmother's information comes from later sources such as the birth certs of Frances and James' children, or if she actually has Frances' marriage or birth certificate in her possession. 

Debra