marriage james byrne to christina kelly

[queenmary]

Hi all i am wondering if anyone can help? i have been on the 1911 Irish Census and cannot find my great grand parents James Byrne and Christina Kelly who i presume married in 1905. Family search found 4 couples who married at this period in Dublin North, also my grandad was born James Joseph Byrne on 22/07/ 1912 in Dublin at 4 North Brunswick St, then lived at 4 Marlborough St, so i would have thought that at the time of the census they would have been in Ireland.
A very helpful guy sent me this info on Byrne's Genealogy but how do i know which couple are my great grand parents? He also said that a Christina Byrne was born in 1911 and died 1914 i Dublin North.
My grandad James Joseph must of left Ireland in his 20's as he married in Glasgow in 1935 to Flora Anderson Robinson.
Thanks for any help it will be much appreciated.
Mary

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Mary,

Welcome to RootsChat.

Did both those addresses come from the birth registration record?

In 1911, 4 North Brunswick Street appears to be occupied by Matron, nurses and Sisters of Charity so seems to be a hospital, perhaps within a convent.  Is the address of the parents the same as the place of birth?

I haven't yet found 4 Marlborough Street on the 1911, but parts of the street are in Mountjoy district and parts in North Dock so perhaps number 4 is in yet another district.

There does seem to be a possible marriage registration in 1905q4 with the same reference for a Christina Kelly and a James Byrne in Dublin North (I think that both the addresses that you have given would fall within Dublin North and the Pro Cathedral is in Marlborough Street so a likely venue).

What makes you think that this would be the right date for the marriage?

[queenmary]

Hi thanks for replying so quickly.
My grandad wrote me a letter 2 weeks before he died and told me this is were he was born and lived. I am in Australia and came out here in 1974 aged 14 so i wasn't interested in family stuff then, it was only has i got older and my uncle started doing my dads side of the family and asked me to get some info on my mums side that i wrote and asked for some facts and as i said i got the letter just in time. My mum died when i was 5yrs so i have no info or paperwork. I posted on the Byrne Genealogy site a few years ago and Robert Hanarhan gave me all the info about the marriage date, he said he was doing his family tree and was used to looking up websites and as he lived in Ireland i presumed it was easier for him.I have just been going along with that as he seemed to know what he was talking about, but now you have put doubt about that date in my mind,it could have been later which would make sense as to why i can't find them together on the 1911 census.
Guess i will have to start looking for later dates now:(
Thank you for your help and for pointing that out to me.
Regards. Mary

[obbie]

hi
what was james byrne,s occupation on his sons birth cert ?
it may help to find him on census .

have you asked roscommon GRO to search for the marriage that you were given in 1905 ?
you could ask them to search for you they will search for 2 euros and give a photo copy of entry for 4 euros
 if you give the details of james birth in 1912 they will search either side for extra siblings births for 2 euros and 4 euros for each child found .

goodluck

[Taidquest]

North Brunswick Street

4. St John's convent
4a. North Dublin union
4b.Private dwelling.(Fagan,assistant master)
4c.Private dwelling
4 d .-buildings 4 e to 4 g appear to have members of staff named as head of household
4e.
4 f.
4 g.
5 to 9.Richmond,Hardewicke +whitworth hospital s.

Seems these are all connected with the north Dublin union,perhaps the Christine Byrne born here in 1911 was your great grand dad's sister.Houses in Marlborough st on the 1911 census appear to start at 6.1,theres also a Marlborough place but this still does'nt show your Byrne relatives.
Religion and occupation would be useful for searching,some possible matches may only be listed by initials.
                                                                           Anne

[shanew147]

and following on from the details Anne found, a few more details about the North Brunswick Street address from Thom's 1914 :

  Sisters of Charity
  House of Industry Hospitals (Richmond Surgical, Whitworth Medical & Hardwicke Fever Hospitals)
  North Dublin Union Workhouse
  Richmond Lunatic Asylum
  Office of Registrar of Births Marriages & Deaths

all at number 4..


Shane

[shanew147]

between at least 1894 and 1914 numbers the Marlborough Street address is listed in Thom's as a business :

  3 & 4 Marlborough Street
    Whyte & Sons, glass and china merchants



Shane

[queenmary]

Hi Dudley, Obbie, Taidquest and Shanew147. Thanks very much for all the info, it was very interesting. Unfortunately i don't have any birth or marriage certificates so i have no idea about occupation, religion i am presuming would be catholic as my parents were married in a church and i was baptized.
Maybe it was quite a bit later than 1911 that they moved to 4

[queenmary]

Don't know what happened there, as i was saying it could have been later than 1911 when they moved to Marlborough St. I am fasinated by all the different things that 4 Brunswick st was, although i love the Lunitic Asylum
What was The North Dublin Union about? also what is Roscommon GRO?
Once again thanks so much for all your help it is starting to get more interesting. Is there a website that shows these buildings in 1911/12?
 Mary