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Christian names only?
« on: Monday 30 May 11 07:52 BST (UK) »
Any suggestions for tracing a death and burial in Australia (1905-1955 period) when only the christian names are available. Have birth date, 1st. marriage date but not the 2nd marriage details, thus an unknown surname. TEDED

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 May 11 08:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Teded,

I think you would find it very difficult, especially if it's a common name.  It might be easier to find the second marriage.  What has stopped you from finding it thus far - have you looked and not found anything? 

Do you know which state in Australia we are talking about?  Each state keeps its own birth, death and marriage records.

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 May 11 08:34 BST (UK) »
Hi TEDED,
Which state are you looking at ?
Do you have the parents names of the person you are looking for ?
When was the 2nd marriage supposed to have taken place ?
Do you have the maiden name and first married name ?

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 May 11 09:37 BST (UK) »
TedEd

Adding to Alison's reply:

It may be possible to find the second marriage ,  depending on whenand where  it occured.

The full married name of the individual would assist in locating it and this begs the question is the individual male or female?

Also the conundrum of why is there no surname? This is unusual.

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 May 11 09:54 BST (UK) »
Some more thoughts

Have you tried searching the digitised newspapers with just the Christian names, or with the surname from the first marriage?

Could the person have been in NZ at any time
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast  (New Zealand digitised newspapers)
Here's the Australian newspapers http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

Are you confident there was a second marriage .... could the person have enlisted for service in WWI, WWII, occupation forces Japan,  UN forces Korea ...

1905-1955 ... what happened in 1905 and/or in 1955 that causes you to consider that span of years...  ;)

What year of birth please,  what wwere the christian names and surname on the 1st marriage, where/when was that marriage, who was the other party to that marriage, do you have that marriage cert  ..... sorry for these questions but it all helps to help you...

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 May 11 10:37 BST (UK) »
It's my grandmother's parent ,on my dad's side, whom different people have been researching for a number of years, trying to find where they died and are buried. I have all the other info. Their birth dates and where they were born plus their parent's details, where and when they married and their children birthdays and where their children are buried. The belief is that the great grandfather went overseas to Africa on missionary work around 1906-07. It is noted on my Grandmother's marriage certificate (married 1-1-1910) that her father is deceased. There is no further trace about my great grandfather and great grandmother  after my grandmother mentioned her on the back of a photo in July 1907.  An old family relative thinks that my great grandmother could have remarried but there is no mention or family record of this. Thus if she did remarry, I don't have her new married surname, under which she may be buried. That's why I have christian names but no surname. No-one has been able to find her buried in Australia under her 1st. married name. Also, there's no trace of my great grandfather being buried in Australia.  Victoria and NSW are the States of interest.  TEDED

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 May 11 10:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Teded,

If you want to share it with us, your grandmother's given name/s, maiden name and first married name will help us.

Can you also tell us her parent's names, and when and where she was born? 
Where was she married the first time? 
Did she go to Africa with her husband?
Where was your grandmother born and where was she married?





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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 May 11 11:03 BST (UK) »
Prue,

Perhaps it is this family previously mentioned in a few posts here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,499414.msg3872536.html#msg3872536

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Re: Christian names only?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 May 11 11:56 BST (UK) »
Yes, Merlin. That's the couple who's death and burial places we are trying to track down. Daniel McBride Scott and his wife, Alice Eleanor (sometimes Helena) nee Upton. Daniel McBride Scott: born 16-12-1855 at Eagle Hawk. Vic. Father- Robert Newton Scott -Mother Martha McBride.  Wife  (Alice): born 1865 at Young NSW. Father:Thomas George Upton B:1829 at Barnstable Devonshire died 7-2-1886 at Temora NSW. Mother was Margaret Connelly born 1832 in Galway Ireland - died in Albury NSW on 24-2-1922.  Daniel and Alice married on 1-12-1883 in Presbyterian Church at Temora NSW. Their Eldest daughter, Martha Margaret, is my dad's mum.She married on 1-1-1910 at Kellyville NSW. It is on a copy of the original marriage certificate that states her father is deceased. I don't think Alice went overseas with her husband Daniel. The last mention of both the great grandparents is made by my grandmother in July 1907. It's a vacuum after that.  That's why if she remarried, there is no clue of the new surname under which she may be buried. No, NZ would certainly be a long shot JM. NSW and VICTORIA are the best possibilities.  TEDED