James Herbert Hargreaves in Peterborough Ontario

[debz40]

My greatx2 grandfather was a James Herbert Hargreaves.I would like to find out where he died. I know quite a bit about him but would like to learn more.The things I Know-
James Herbert was born 22 feb 1880 in Hunslet, Yorkshire, England. Son of Jeremiah Hargreaves and Emma Archer. He Marries my greatx2 grandmother Elizabeth Dean in Yorkshire on the 17th August 1901. Their first child Herbert Dean Hargreaves is born in Yorkshire on the 26th November 1901. Then in 1903 they have child no2 my greatgrandmother Nellie in Yorkshire on the 20th feb.. He then leaves his family and heads to Canada. He arrives 1st June 1904 on the boat Lake Champlain. The story is that he told his wife he would send for her as soon as he was settled. Ofcourse he never does and just a short while later 11th March 1905 he marries Alice Hubbard.(there was no divorce and he claims to be a batchelor). On the 15th of September the same year the first child is born. They had 5 children on the 1910 U.S census They are in New York. But then they go back to Canada. James Herbert Joins the Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionery Force in 1916 his address is in Peterborough Ontario and is medically discharged 1919 again in Peterborough Ontario thats the last I know of him I do know his Wife Alice was rescued in October 1954 during Hurricane Hazel no mention of her husband. Had he left her too, or had he passed away earlier, or was he just away from home. Any help would be lovely.
Thank you Debz..

[RunKitty]

Hello,

I see from the records you mention that James came to Canada in 1904.  His destination was Peterborough, he was married in Peterborough and had 2 children - Walter and Alice - in Peterborough.  It looks like he went to Tonawanda NY in 1909 and is on the 1910 census there with wife Alice and kids Walter and Alice.   I only see 2 children on this census, not 5.  I don't see a return to Canada, but on his Attestation papers, his next of kin is his wife, who lives in Peterborough.  So, sometime between 1910 and 1916, they came back to Peterborough. 

I don't see a James buried in Peterborough on the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid or in the OGS cemetery index.  Not every burial is indexed, so he could be buried in Peterborough.  If not, there are a few listings for James Hargreaves buried elsewhere that might come in handy - depending on what else you find out.   
http://ocfa.islandnet.com/search.php
http://ogs.andornot.com/CemeteryIndex.aspx

There are lots of really good sites to help with Peterborough research.  Here are just a few -

http://www.trentvalleyarchives.com/Home
http://www.trentu.ca/admin/library/archives/
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~peterborough/
http://www.peterborough.library.on.ca/Genealogy_Local_History/Peterborough_Collection.htm
(I think the library charges a fee for research services)

It might be a good idea to see if the Peterborough directory lists him in 1954.  You know his wife was there and it would help to know if he was too.   Directories and newspaper articles may be the way to go.   

Sorry I couldn't be more help!!

RK

[RunKitty]

Hi,

I just noticed something.   There are a couple of trees on A,,y that deal with your Hargreaves family.   have you seen them?  According to them, Walter married Elsie Paterson and died in Havelock Ont in 1987.  He is buried in the Little Lake Cemetery, Peterborough Ontario.   Perhaps your other relatives are also buried here.  It would be worth checking. 
http://www.highlandpark-vrc.com/

There is no mention of his parents' death dates on these trees.  However, I see the 5 kids you mentioned.  One sibling, Douglas, died in Toronto in 1994.  I will see if I can find an obituary for him.    According to the most extensive tree, there is at least one sibling who is still living.   You might want to contact the owner of this tree... 

RK

ADDED - just checked for Douglas's obit in the 2 main Toronto papers and didn't find it.  Perhaps it was written up in the Peterborough papers.  Something to check.  The death date is supposed to be July 1 1994.   

[debz40]

Thank you Runkitty for trying to help me.
 I have been in touch with an ancestry member who had the canadian part of the tree. She turned out to be the wife of the grandson of James Herbert Hargreaves.Her husband was the son of Walter Hargreaves the eldest child. Unfortunately they had no idea James Herbert was married in England. I tried to be tactful I sent a copy of the marriage cert, and explained there was no divorce. While I found this all very interesting and was excited at the prospect of having canadian relatives. I don't think they were very happy. She has since added the first marriage to her tree but hasn't added the two children from this marriage.
Thank you again

Debz

[denisew5656]

just found this post and had to reply although I can't help with the question of what happened to James Herbert...but...his firstborn son(Herbert Dean) to his wife Elizabeth was my grandfather and Nellie was his sister although I never knew that side of the family.My grandad would have been 3yrs old when his dad left and never knew what happened to him (or if he did he never told) therefore the story that I have a biggamist for a great grandfather is a very exciting story to me as is also the fact that I have canadian or american connections.I would love to know more

[debz40]

Hi denisew5656
My name is Debbie my great grandma was Nellie Moore nee Hargreaves. Nellie was the grandmother of my mum.. It was lovely to see your post and I would love to here more about your side of the family..
yours Debz

[polarbear]

Hi there.

Denisew5656, if you make 2 more posts here, even to just say "Hi", you and Debbie will then be able to use the PM (Private Message) system here on RootsChat to exchange info or contact details.

PB

[debz40]

thanks for your help Polar bear.....
yours debz

[denisew5656]

ohhh thanks was wondering why I couldnt reply to message !!