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Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« on: Saturday 28 May 11 21:04 BST (UK) »
I have seen somewhere that my 9th great grandparents are buried in the cemetery at St. Andrews Church of Earls Colne. I have seen the parish records but am looking for the inscription on their headstone/monument(s). Is anyone able to look this up for me? I have spent hours online looking for MI there but have found nothing.
James Markham (died Feb 1679) and Martha, his wife (died March 1668/69). Thanks so much ad best wishes from Knoxville TN USA.

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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 May 11 18:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Welcome to Rootschat

There is a guide to Essex burials (including monumental inscriptions) at the top of the two main Essex boards which give links, one of which is to the monumental inscriptions in Essex churchyards produced by Essex Family History Society which includes Earls Colne (North East volume 2)

http://www.esfh.org.uk/CDs-by-Post/CD_MI.htm

Many of the Essex Family History Society's indexes are also on the subscription website Findmypast.

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/BirthsMarriagesDeaths.jsp

However unless any inscription is inside the church which is possible if the couple were wealthy and prominent in the village, very few gravestones survive from as early as the C17th and are still legible. Again only prominent families in the village would have the money for such gravestones so you might expect there would be Markham wills.

This is an example of two seventheenth century gravestones in another churchyard so you can see what such gravestones where they still survive were like.

http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/nuthall/poldhsts.jpg

and a few others

http://www.wishful-thinking.org.uk/genuki/DBY/Eyam/Gravestones2.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stanbury/3361551314/


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Valda
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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 June 11 15:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much!

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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 July 11 20:50 BST (UK) »
Hello Susie Q,

   St Andrews Church Earls Colne. Well I am at this momengt sitting about 800 yards from said church, give me a few days and I'll have a shufti kush ( Arabic for a quick look )and see if I can find a Markham for you, the reaon I am saying a few days is because it is Wednedsday 13th July here, and although midsummer, the girl on  our weather programme said only this evening " Oi Vay !! Such weather we're going to have over the next fived days, thunder, lots of rain, but at least the grass will grow !" so when there is an hours break in the rainfall, I'll have a look.

Regards from Earls Colne, in the pretty part of Essex

Bob Lima
Lovett; Hertfordshire. Essex. Lancashire.


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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 July 11 23:42 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much!! As it turns out, the baptism/christening/birth records are missing for a few years right around when James and Martha were born. Wouldn't you know! As for the rain, I wish you could send a little of it to Knoxville TN! It is horribly hot and muggy, but we need rain.
 Thanks again for your help. Someday I would like to come and see St. Andrews and Earls Colne. The pictures make it look so beautiful.
Susan

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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 July 11 15:16 BST (UK) »
Dear Susie Q,

    Well now, it's now Friday, the rain didn't materialise like what was promised, although she now says stay in bed Saturday because it's going to be somewhat persistent.

 Now tghis very morning I am ambled over to St Andrews, and there are a quite a few graves there, mostly overgrown I'll be candid, and I couldn't find one for a Markham, worse, a lot of them have detoriated over the last 325 years, a lot are illegible, and the earliest I could find of any gravestone was 1809.

 I spoke to a local boy who has an interest in this sort of thing and he says several problems, over the years, people were buried on top of other people, albeit a 100 years later, he says do your arithmeticv, if only 5 people a year die in a village in 100 years that would mean 500 burials, over 300 years, thats 1,500 burials.............................if it's more, say 12 people a year, well, again do your arithmetic, if you were to bury a relative in say 1890, what would you know about a burial in 1690 ?? and bear in mind St Andrews church in Earls Colne dates from the 8th century, so in 1200 plus years, lots of bodies in a relatively small area.

Susie, there is one more chance, I may be able to access parish records,  but lets be aware, records weren't kept so meticuously as they are today, but I will of cvourse let you know what, and if I come up with anything, and even if it's a negative, I'll let you know.

Right, the sun is starting to go in, it'll be raining here within three hours, so I'm off to the library now.

Regards etc.,

Boblima
Lovett; Hertfordshire. Essex. Lancashire.

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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 March 12 12:44 GMT (UK) »
I have returned to the "land of the living" again...finally. I am still looking for my Essex ancestors, Markham and Collins, and want to thank you folks for suggesting the websites and going to the church, finding out that there were burials on top of burials, etc. Now I have an odd request: can you tell me how to pronounce "Colne" correctly...meaning is it a long "o" like in "go" and is the "l" silent or not?
Happy Spring from Knoxville TN.
susie

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 March 12 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Dear Susie,

   we were all wondering where you had gone, in the whole village it was a constant topic of conversation, no not really, I jest, but nice to hear that you are still around, but I'm afraid no more information on the Markham/Collins people, still a blank.

  Pronunciation; We here says Colne as in ice cream cone, but did I tell you that we have four villages and a city named after the River Colne which flows through all five.  We have Earls Colne, Wakes Colne, Colne Engaine and White Colne, and then there is the more famous perhaps, the city of Colchester, ( Colchester only became a city last week, when the Queen bestowed the honour on several towns to commerate her forthcoming 60 years on the throne), but all the Colne villages are within walking distance of each other, if you are a strong walker.

Best regards,


Bob
 
Lovett; Hertfordshire. Essex. Lancashire.

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Re: Essex Burials Earls Colne St. Andrews
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 March 12 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Please do apologize to the whole village for me being MIA.   Hm, ice cream cone - now you're talking! If I ever get to England I will definitely visit your village. It must be full of wonderful people.
Thank you so much for keeping your eyes open for anything on my elusive Markham-Collins family. I really appreciate it!
Are there any other burial grounds in Earls ice cream cone, no that's not right - Earls Colne?