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Re: Genealogists' most hated phrase
« Reply #72 on: Thursday 23 June 11 21:44 BST (UK) »
Yes i agree with you fifer.  In my case name changes and different places of birth.
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« Reply #73 on: Thursday 23 June 11 21:51 BST (UK) »
Or  'Have you found anyone famous yet?'

I've not yet had the courage to reply 'Yes, great great grandad was well known to the local police'.

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« Reply #74 on: Thursday 23 June 11 22:06 BST (UK) »
Yes i agree with you fifer.  In my case name changes and different places of birth.

Wrong spouses and wrong parents ........... and that's just today!  ::)
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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« Reply #75 on: Friday 24 June 11 00:27 BST (UK) »
Little do they know we are usually sorting out the mess someone else has put up as "genealogy"!!  ::)

Are you?  Why?  I find my own tree has plenty to keep me busy, I couldn't give a fig what other people choose to do.

To give an example.  I've got a chap for whom I haven't yet found a baptism.  I've seen him in a number of online trees, and they have all identified him as the only one featured on IGI that roughly ticks the boxes.  Except it's definitely not him, because he can be found in the 1841 & 1851 censuses, while our chap didn't live so long.  I'm not wasting my time trying to convince these people though, why bother? 

I have plenty of internal evidence to identify our chap, though ....  One day, I hope, a final, clinching piece of evidence will turn up to link him with what is surely his family, but until then, in your favourite phrase  ;) he is

"MOST LIKELY"


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« Reply #76 on: Friday 24 June 11 06:50 BST (UK) »

   What really fills me with despair is that little word  "Submitted"

    What they really mean is "this is a cross between guesswork and wishful thinking!"

   

Unfortunately this post shows the poster does not understand the way the IGI is compiled and would rather insult people than take the time to find out.

Submitted simply means the record has come from an individual rather than a mass extraction.
Some very careful family historians have submitted accurate records to the IGI.
To make such broad sweeping statements throws doubt on her own research methods.
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« Reply #77 on: Friday 24 June 11 08:13 BST (UK) »
Are you?  Why?  I find my own tree has plenty to keep me busy, I couldn't give a fig what other people choose to do.
It amazes me the number of people who get all flustered over someone putting something "wrong" on a public tree. All they are doing is making themselves look silly to any serious researchers. Anyone who will blindly copy from another tree simply can not be serious in their research.
Of course if something is published that includes your living rellies you may wish for it to be removed.

Sure, I'll look at online trees - they can be a great guide, but I'll see what sources they claim and then check those sources for myself, if I can't prove it to myself then either it doesn't go on my tree; or if I'm sure but still can't prove it I'll "pencil" them in with notes and task reminders that I need to find evidence to support my theory.

Unfortunately this post shows the poster does not understand the way the IGI is compiled and would rather insult people than take the time to find out.

Submitted simply means the record has come from an individual rather than a mass extraction.
Some very careful family historians have submitted accurate records to the IGI.
To make such broad sweeping statements throws doubt on her own research methods.
To be fair not all submitted entries are accurate or trustworthy. This isn't so much a case of the the poster insulting people as it is a case of a few questionable entries pouring doubt on the rest. There is no way of knowing whose submitted entries are good and whose are questionable therefore they all have to be treated with the same caution - just in case.
Just yesterday I was looking in the PR for a particular marriage that was a submitted entry on the IGI and it certainly doesn't appear in the parish that was stated.
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Re: Genealogists' most hated phrase
« Reply #78 on: Friday 24 June 11 09:40 BST (UK) »
Little do they know we are usually sorting out the mess someone else has put up as "genealogy"!!  ::)

Are you?  Why?  I find my own tree has plenty to keep me busy, I couldn't give a fig what other people choose to do.

To give an example.  I've got a chap for whom I haven't yet found a baptism.  I've seen him in a number of online trees, and they have all identified him as the only one featured on IGI that roughly ticks the boxes.  Except it's definitely not him, because he can be found in the 1841 & 1851 censuses, while our chap didn't live so long.  I'm not wasting my time trying to convince these people though, why bother? 

Quite simply because the information was not on tree/s but is on a public genealogical database and also an error on SP indexing.  The information is erroneous and therefore costly if you are pursuing the wrong person from the information given.  I downloaded 3 certificates yesterday wrongly assuming the correct parents were given.  As said before it's not "most likely", it is in fact wrong! 

Obviously because I do care about others following in my footsteps researching this branch of their family, I have advised both websites of this and forwarded the relevant certificates.  Not "giving a fig" is about as useful as a chocolate teapot and really not the attitude we are used to seeing on here.  I could understand if I was talking about private trees but these incidences were not.

Anyway can I just ask why you asked me why?  As you said you have enough to keep you busy on your own tree, why would you even bother commenting on how others deal with errors they find on public databases or trees?
Ireland, Co Antrim: Kerr; Hollinger; Forsythe; Moore
Ireland, Co Louth: Carson; Leslie
Ireland, Co Kerry: Ferris
Scotland, Perthshire/Glasgow:  Stewart
England, Devon/Cornwall: Ferris, Gasser/Jasser/Jesser, Norman

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Re: Genealogists' most hated phrase
« Reply #79 on: Friday 24 June 11 11:39 BST (UK) »
I could understand if I was talking about private trees but these incidences were not.

Fair enough, but you did not make that clear.  Your opening post explicitly referred to "published family trees".

As you said you have enough to keep you busy on your own tree, why would you even bother commenting on how others deal with errors they find on public databases or trees?

Because sometimes I feel like it.  8)
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« Reply #80 on: Friday 24 June 11 11:48 BST (UK) »
There is no way of knowing whose submitted entries are good and whose are questionable therefore they all have to be treated with the same caution - just in case.
Just yesterday I was looking in the PR for a particular marriage that was a submitted entry on the IGI and it certainly doesn't appear in the parish that was stated.

It's easy to spot those that are not based on church records etc, but on things such as census data ... but these entries are of course good enough for the purposes of the LDS inasmuch as they represent a person who existed.

As for submitted entries that look feasible but can't be found in the PR.  I have on occasion found them in the BTs or as marriage bonds/allegations.  Sometimes things just didn't make it into the PR for one reason or another.  :-\
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