Completed How do I find a sailing ship possibly sunk

[casalguidi]

There are lots of ideas here http://www.nmm.ac.uk/researchers/library/research-guides/the-merchant-navy/wrecks-losses-and-casualties and under ships and merchant seamen in the National Archives leaflets http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guide-listing.htm

The times newspaper had a shipping news column.  You may be able to access "The Times" archive via your local library and, possibly, online but it may take a bit of searching depending upon where the vessel was and how long before it was reported missing.  Local newspapers to where he was living at the time may be useful too.

Casalguidi

[macintosh]

There was a brig,  two master brigantine Aid, Dundee registered sunk in 1826 in the Hebrides, driven ashore at Scalpay. I know the date doesnt fit with yours but it may be a source of info if you try the Dundee Maritime Archives. A trade in coal from Newcastle to Inverness was highly developed in 1860 to 1880 and brigs were a common vessel for such trade.
 There was a brig called Fowlis sank at North Shields Feb 1861 and she was a Scottish vessel in the Baltic trade.

James

[bcorcoran]

Thanks James.

There is a book in Newcastle Library 'Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships' my daughter is going into to library, today hopefully, she says its open Sundays.

there were 18 ships called Aid in 1867 and 7 in 1883. google books are digitising the Mercantile navy and shipping lists, from 1868 to 1882 haven't been done yet.

Casalguidi thanks for the links, it took me to the Maritime History Archive where I was able to findout the type of ship my ggreatgranfather worked on. the death certificate gave his 'Official No' and I could search the 'crew agreement indices'

hopefully I will have some more news later today
Barbara

[casalguidi]

Glad to have been of a little help.  I've just noticed that I repeated the link in my post above so have now amended the second link to the correct one.  I look forward to hearing what you manage to uncover.

Casalguidi

[bcorcoran]

My daughters trip to Newcastle library yesturday was fruitless. But I have learnt more about shipping in the last few days. I now know that the ship I am interested in was built in 1855 in Sunderland and was registered in Whitby. it was a brigantine home trade ship.

I looks like I need a trip to the  National Maritime Museum to findout the fate of the ship and my ggreatgrandfather.

Barbara

[WolfieSmith]

From the Register of Deaths at Sea, in case you don't have info on the rest of the crew. In the list of deaths registered March 1876 :

Ship - Aid, Official No. 9036, Missing since 18.11.75.
Peason Campion, 52, Master Mariner, born Whitby, last abode - Harkson St. (?) Whitby,
John Cole, 48, Mate, born Shields,
George C Davison, 49, AB, born Shields,
Henry Maclaughlin, 28, AB, born Porteferry,
Thomas Rosendale, 18, Cook, born S. Shields,
Unknown, 17, OS, born S. Shields.

There was a big storm 19 Nov 1875 onwards on the East coast, many dozens of ships lost, lots of damage onshore. Can't see a reference to the Aid in the newspapers shortly after, but as the deaths weren't registered until March 1876 it may not have been officially missing for a month or more.

Heres one reference to some ships lost :

http://sites.scran.ac.uk/secf_final/danger/links/link4.php

Alan.

[bcorcoran]

Alan

thank you so much for your help, and I didn't have the rest of the crew so that is really helpful. hastings was hit by a big storm 14.11.75 causing a lot of damage too.

Thanks Again

Barbara

[skingers2]

If you have the official ships number you could look up the ship here

www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/

or contact the Newfoundland Shipping Records (They have crew lists for ships sailing from u.k ports)

www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/shipping.php
That's how I got lots of info on my missing/presumed dead captain. We were able to find out about many of his journeys.
Hope that is useful
Ros

[bcorcoran]

Thanks Ros

the first site, I think only covers foreign trade ships. the ship I'm looking for is home trade and its not listed. I had already used the second site, that's how I found out about the Aid being home trade. The National Maritime Museum is closed until the beginning of September, so may not find out anything about the ship until after then, but I'm going to email them. I'm off the Kew in 2 weeks time so should get more info on my ggreatfather as they have records of all Master mariners and mates, keeping my fingers crossed.

some other sites I found
http://rmhh.co.uk/mariners.html
www.crewlist.org.uk/data/sourcesRO.php
www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html
http://collections.mun.ca/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=%2Fmha_mercant
www.maritimearchives.co.uk/mercantile-navy-list.html
www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKPages.htm#MN

Barbara