Shoreditch address look up please

[Bryant]

Update

Thomas Frederick Emmeston born June qtr 1845 Clerkenwell R.D

but the question is....who is Margaret A Pink?

Bryant

[Mort29]

That 1865 Marriage is in the LMA transcribed records.

Thomas Frederick Emmerton of Lucretia Street,  full age, a Bachelor was by trade a Cooper - Father John Emmerton, a Silversmith.

Margaret Ann Pink of James St. ( Minor) - father was Edward, a Hatter.

Working back from your posting of John and Mother Sarah to 1851 - HO107/Piece: 1702 Folio: 126 Page: 2 - his Father was Thomas, an Engineer.

There's also the fact that someone else on Ancestry researched this with similar conclusions (ie Margaret / Amnda was née Pinchion, then Beasley, then Emmerton)

I'd like to hear from the OP about the MMName on the Birth Certificate ......

[Mort29]

Here's Margaret Pink in 1851, with Edward, her father - a Hatter.

HO107/Piece: 1509 Folio: 411 Page: 57 @ Gt White Lion St

all born St Giles
 
Edward Pink 28 Head - Hatter
Sarah Pink 27 Wife
Edward Pink 11 son
James Pink 8 son
Mary Ann Pink 8 dau
Margaret Pink 5 dau


So a PoB of Southwark is even more 'Chalk & Cheese' to St Giles ... 

[Bryant]

MMN on birth cert
So would I....on air not long ago but hasn't put us out of our misery  

St Giles to Southwark is a couple of miles away....Dorking to Southwark isn't 

Bryant

[kennyb]

Hi folks, sorry to be a bit late in replying,been out and about today.
The first thing is Amanda's maiden name,yes, its Pincheon,so the Emmerton census of stepson would be correct. When William married in 1895 his fathers occupation was entered as Iron Safe maker, but that was probably his stepfathers occ. His birth father was Thomas Charles Beasley deceased, his was the name entered on the cert. I have found a Thomas Beasley who died in 1872 Pancras and if nothing else come to light I will send for the cert, though I find  there isn't much useful info on death certs.
      The question is "where were the family in 1871" William wasn't given away as he was with his mother in the 81 census.He also followed her trade as a Furrier.
if I had any hair I'd be pulling it out. I do appreciate all the help I'm receiving,I know how time consuming it can be. Hope this info was useful.

                                                                  Ken.

[kennyb]

Back again!
                   

Married 25 Nov, 1867 at St James the Great, Bethnal Green.

Thomas (bachelor) of full age, marked X: ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.] Father Edward - a Brickmaker[/color]Amanda (Spinster) 18, marked X:Father George - a Labourer

both 'of Bethnal Green'

Witnesses - William Webb & Sarah Ann Pinchion (both 'X'ed' signature)

Think I've found Thomas and father Edward in the 61 census.

Beesley Edward 50 brickmaker Langly Berkshire
       "    Sarah 44    Charwoman  Clerkenwell Middx
      "     Richard 16 Brickmakers boy Newington Surry.
      "      Thomas 15         "         "     Islington Middx
      "     William   10  Scholar                     "

 What do you think?     
                                 Ken

   

[Bryant]

Hello Ken

Your 1861 looks good to me but it would be nice to find them elsewhere.
Richard Beesley as seen in your 1861 census appears to have been born RICHARD BEASELEY in the Dec qtr of 1846 St Saviour R.D (includes Newington)
WILLIAM BEAZLEY in the Jun qtr of 1851 Islington or is he....WILLIAM BEESLEY in the Sep qtr of 1851 St Lukes R.D?

Is this the witness to the marriage of "Amanda" .......interesting trades that the boys have!
Just a coincidence or does it mean something?

1871 census
15 Prospect Place, Bethnal Green, London, Middlesex
Geo Wm Pinchin....Head...60....wire weaver.................Middlesex
Sarah..........".........Wife....58.....wire weaver................Middlesex
Edwin.........."..........Son....24.....iron safe maker...........Middlesex
Henry...........".........Son....20.....iron safe maker...........Middlesex
Priscillia Harewood..Niece 24......seamster...................Middlesex
Rebecca Simmonds..Niece 19.......................................Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Alfred Richardson..Boarder 26.....................................Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Emily Pope.............Visitor...24.....................................Exeter, Devon
 ------------

1851 census
16, Prospect Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex
George William Pinchin...Head...42....Wire Weaver...Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Sarah.................."..........Wife.....39...........................Bethnal Green, Middlesex
George Thos......."..........Son.......13..Errand Boy......Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Thomas H............"..........Son........8...Scholar............Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Sarah R..............".........daur........6.....Scholar...........Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Edwin M............."..........Son........4......Scholar...........Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Henry Wm.........."..........Son........1 month................Bethnal Green, Middlesex
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Sarah Sophia Emmerton married David Skinner in the Sep qtr of 1857 Clerkenwell R.D

The term son in law/daur in law being used instead of stepson/stepdaur in the 1861 census below

1861 census
8, Johns Place, St Luke, Finsbury, City Road, London, Middlesex
David Skinner....Head.....45.....Tailor.....................Holborn, Middlesex
Sarah......"........Wife......48....................................Shoreditch, Middlesex
Thomas Emmerton..Son In Law 19.. Porter At Cabinet Maker.. Clerkenwell, Middlesex
William Emmerton..Son In Law  17..Book Binder.....Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Frederic........"......Son In Law.....16...Stationer.......Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Ann............."...Daughter In Law 14 Mourning Flower Maker..Highgate, Middlesex
Susan............Daughter In Law ..13 Mourning Flower Maker..Highgate, Middlesex
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Bryant

[Mort29]

The first thing is Amanda's maiden name,yes, its Pincheon,so the Emmerton census of stepson would be correct.

Thanks for confirming that - resolves the debate at last   

St Giles to Southwark is a couple of miles away....Dorking to Southwark isn't  Kiss

Distance has no bearing does it? Its the difference in locale etc - North & South London are usually considered 'C & C' ...

The expression is mooted to originate in the Salisbury / Old Sarum area, where the communities focussed on Dairy produce in the lowland river valleys, and Sheep / Wool products up on the chalky downs ..... 


Anyway, good luck in locating the previous generation.

[kennyb]

Thanks for that Bryant, the 61 T Emmerton does look the part. The Pinchins in the 51/71 look good to,it appears to tie all the family's together date wise. I'll continue tracing the Beasley line back now,as it seems I'm on the right track.
                           Cheers
                                        Ken.